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[Yobo2One]

Had a good thread going last night, was mistakenly deleted so lets try again...  (guys who posted come back and repost had good thoughts)  Asked before about attending an open workout without intention of joining and many of you felt that was fine.  How do you feel about kids attending tryouts with no interest ?  Happened at tryout for u13.  Parent actually said "just here for a workout"  :roll:  I feel this is just , well, uncool (can't say what I really think) Child IS a great player so will no doubt get asked to come but if there is no intent is this person wasting everyones time ?  Takes time away from the coaches, and makes me kind of feel like they belittle the club a bit.  Its just a workout , a joke to them.  Do they just want their egos stroked?  Get asked to more than one team ?  This child has already been asked back to their own team  and plans on attending tryout for team elsewhere that they truly want anyway.  I understand a child may want to attend more than one tryout, you may go to more than one job interview too, but i would hope you would not tell one employer yes and continue to hunt around hoping for something better, and surely you would not just go to interviews just to "practice" your question answering skills!! I hope not anyway.  So this ended up longer than I thought. Something about the whole thing just got to me. So what do you think ? Am i missing a bigger picture ?

[overachiever]

I had just that discussion with my U11

Went to two PDL club tryouts last year and then had to pick.  This year we went to watch a few of the other clubs u11 games to gauge quality of players and coach compared to current team.  Child decided they didn't want to play for other clubs coach and stay where they are.  

When tryouts came around this year we decided that if had NO intention of saying yes, then NOT to do it - as would take time away from coaches looking at other players.  With that said, this approach only works for kids who are in the upper 50% of team.  I have another child who is in the bottom 50% of team and we will have a plan "B" and go to other club tryouts, just in case - you never know what the competition at tryouts will be from year to year.
WHEN IN DOUBT - ALWAYS HAVE A PLAN "B".

Now, I think "kickarounds" are different.  I think that if you market this product as "ya'll come", then it's o.k. to just get some touches on the ball and some good exercise.

[Yobo2One]

Sure, I am all for the plan B.  Really if a kid wants to play and feels they may need more than one option. Thats great , fine.  My problem is this, turns out its not just on girl but several , all from one competeing area team, all came out and filled out papers and put on the little numbers and went on the field.  Did they tell the coaches they were only there to "workout", I don't know. I know their parents made it clear to  anyone who asked that they were there just for a "workout". Regardless I feel it takes time away from the kids out there who really want a spot, I guess you could look at it as they would have to work harder to earn a spot, more competiton and all. But there is some part of me that feels they are making a mockery of the whole thing. Do they just need to feel like multipile clubs want them ?  What happened to teaching our kids common courtesy ?  I know there are some who have to agree cause you posted last night so come back and repost !!

[Whome?]

Yobo2One,
Yes, I agree with you that it is a bit tacky to go to tryouts without having any intentions of actually "trying out".  

When a player goes to any tryout it should be for "trying out" for the team afterall that is what tryout means!

Tryouts are already stressful for everyone why make it more stressful?  

There IS NO POINT going to a tryout just for a work out.  Go work out on your own time or go to extra practices.  Don't be selfish.

[overachiever]

Sure, I am all for the plan B.  Really if a kid wants to play and feels they may need more than one option. Thats great , fine.  My problem is this, turns out its not just on girl but several , all from one competeing area team, all came out and filled out papers and put on the little numbers and went on the field.  Did they tell the coaches they were only there to "workout", I don't know. I know their parents made it clear to  anyone who asked that they were there just for a "workout". Regardless I feel it takes time away from the kids out there who really want a spot, I guess you could look at it as they would have to work harder to earn a spot, more competiton and all. But there is some part of me that feels they are making a mockery of the whole thing. Do they just need to feel like multipile clubs want them ?  What happened to teaching our kids common courtesy ?  I know there are some who have to agree cause you posted last night so come back and repost !!

I agree - if you put on a number to be "judged" - then that should mean you are considering team, even if remotely.  If there is zero chance of changing then stay home.  

If players in question were really superb, can work two ways (1) elevates the tryouts for all (2) intimidates potential players who will back off and not show their true skills.

[Victory]

I could see going to an open practice for a team you are not going to tryout for but to go to the tryout seems wrong to me.

[Shu's Daddy]

My daughter tried out for 2 teams last year and made both.  The club we played last year had some coaching problems, there had been some promises by the club to the parents that didn't happen, and we just didn't really know what to expect for this season with yet another new coach.  For that reason, I had my daughter tryout for another club just in case.  She only went to the very last tryout for that club and we really didn't expect her to make the team (expected her to be offered a spot on the B team).  Basically, I wanted a fall back option just in case something didn't mesh at the tryouts.  Ultimately, my daughter had to make a choice and she decided to stay with the team she'd played the year prior.  It turned out to be a great decision.  

I guess what I'm saying is that sometimes there are reasons to tryout with more than one team. I think I would feel strongly if someone tried out for our team who had no intentions of playing for us.  We actually had a guest player last spring for a game who is very talented, but has no desire to play for us because they feel our team is not good enough.  Instead, they drive 3 hours to play for a team up north.  So, I understand both sides.

[Dragon]

My daughter tried out for 2 teams last year and made both.  The club we played last year had some coaching problems, there had been some promises by the club to the parents that didn't happen, and we just didn't really know what to expect for this season with yet another new coach.  For that reason, I had my daughter tryout for another club just in case.  She only went to the very last tryout for that club and we really didn't expect her to make the team (expected her to be offered a spot on the B team).  Basically, I wanted a fall back option just in case something didn't mesh at the tryouts.  Ultimately, my daughter had to make a choice and she decided to stay with the team she'd played the year prior.  It turned out to be a great decision.  

I guess what I'm saying is that sometimes there are reasons to tryout with more than one team. I think I would feel strongly if someone tried out for our team who had no intentions of playing for us.  We actually had a guest player last spring for a game who is very talented, but has no desire to play for us because they feel our team is not good enough.  Instead, they drive 3 hours to play for a team up north.  So, I understand both sides.

Not good enough!  They missed playing for the possible Oregon state champs bro

[supastah]

In my opinion word of these "multi tryout" players gets out & eventually they will limit their chances of making any teams & possibly not even their past team, unless they are a "superstar".  It is never good to burn bridges, it will eventually come back to bite you.  Unless something is really wrong with the coach, club, players, your child is unhappy, etc..., on your current team,  it's really not worth it.  This soccer community is smaller than you think & the word gets around. This is especially true at the older ages when the girls have been in premier soccer for awhile.  It becomes more evident what type of players they are & not really dedicated to their previous soccer team, always having the next best thing (they think) in the back of their & their parents minds.....
This is not meant to be mean, or say someones child shouldn't try out somewhere else, but just something to ponder........

[cheese]

Don't a lot of coaches tell players to get that experience and tryout for different clube?

I've heard a few say that.  

[Yobo2One]

If you are a coach who feels a player should go to tryouts just for experience, please post. WOuld love to hear the reasoning behind that. I thought thats what the open practices were for, a good workout, experience, test the waters at another club.  I would think, as a coach, if you were having a tryout and some really great players showed up and you called and said "hey we want you on our team"  and they turn you down cause hey , they were just there for the experience, that you might be just a bit irritated.  Sure you could move down the list to the next player, but thats not really the point.    
 
  Let me reitterate that I have no problem with kids going to more than one tryout when the intention to possibly join a club is there.  When you go and a parent tells everyone they know , "hey we just came for the workout,"and there is no intention by anyone to actually join, well that stinks.    Cannot believe there are more of you out there that would not be bugged by this. IS everyone just taking the little things that go on in the world of kids soccer as the norm now?  How would you feel if you took your kid to a tryout for a team they really wanted to be on and this happened to you ?

[Dragon-Slayer]

If you are a coach who feels a player should go to tryouts just for experience, please post. WOuld love to hear the reasoning behind that. I thought thats what the open practices were for, a good workout, experience, test the waters at another club.  I would think, as a coach, if you were having a tryout and some really great players showed up and you called and said "hey we want you on our team"  and they turn you down cause hey , they were just there for the experience, that you might be just a bit irritated.  Sure you could move down the list to the next player, but thats not really the point.    
 
  Let me reitterate that I have no problem with kids going to more than one tryout when the intention to possibly join a club is there.  When you go and a parent tells everyone they know , "hey we just came for the workout,"and there is no intention by anyone to actually join, well that stinks.    Cannot believe there are more of you out there that would not be bugged by this. IS everyone just taking the little things that go on in the world of kids soccer as the norm now?  How would you feel if you took your kid to a tryout for a team they really wanted to be on and this happened to you ?

I would really question if that is really the case.  Could it be the parent really would like to see if an offer comes but be able to save face if not?  I know of one player who went to a tryout last year to get tryout experience and was adamant she was not going to change teams.  Well she had a great year with the her new team!  :shock:

[Yobo2One]

Hmm. Willing to concede its possible.  However since its a whole group of them and some have already been asked to come back to the team they just finished tryouts for I lean toward nope don't think so. But hey anything is possible. Love the avatar by the way , cracks me up!

[Dragon-Slayer]

Hmm. Willing to concede its possible.  However since its a whole group of them and some have already been asked to come back to the team they just finished tryouts for I lean toward nope don't think so. But hey anything is possible. Love the avatar by the way , cracks me up!

If a group then I would agree with you.  As a coach if I saw one girl by her self at my tryout I would disreguard what she or the CP told me and assume she was there to get on the team.

[ummm]

I'll through my 2 cents in as a parent that does take my dd to other tryouts.  This was started by the coaching staff of my dd team who encouraged players to go to other tryouts to see what is out there…to look at different players, clubs, coaching styles etc.  We started doing this last year and I found it very informative to look at the different philosophies of the different clubs.  It’s also a way to see the different type of talent some of these clubs bring in and how my dd compares.  

Now I will say that I would not go around at the tryouts stating we are just hear for a work out, but we did go to several tryouts with little intention of joining the team.  My DD had fun and enjoyed going to different clubs.  As by DD gets older (say U14 and above) I’m sure we will not be doing this, but at the early ages it’s a good thing.

[poolboy]

cp's, shopping at open kick arounds a good thing, havin a back-up plan a good thing. but going to a try-out and having NO intention of joining not cool :shock:  i have seen top end players recruiting other top end players at try-outs- try that one on :twisted:

[Yobo2One]

Well, Mr.umm, for now we will have to agree to disagree.  I just cannot  agree that tryouts are the place to check things out.  Maybe a couple of years of doing this whole select thing will make me change my mind.  Though I doubt it. My skins just not thick enough to stick around for too long.  

Seriously poolboy, how does that work?  YA just tell the kids "lets go to a tryout and see whose good and we will try to get them to our club?" Jeez kids soccer is a cut throat world.

[cheese]

Well, Mr.umm, for now we will have to agree to disagree.  I just cannot  agree that tryouts are the place to check things out.  Maybe a couple of years of doing this whole select thing will make me change my mind.  Though I doubt it. My skins just not thick enough to stick around for too long.  

Seriously poolboy, how does that work?  YA just tell the kids "lets go to a tryout and see whose good and we will try to get them to our club?" Jeez kids soccer is a cut throat world.

I hate to say it but it is sometimes like that.....and worse :shock:
I have seen many show up without the intention of joining the team only to get the offer and....BAM.  Now they have a new team.

I've seen CP's say they would never leave their team then.....BAM.  Coach cuts their kid just like that and with no plan B in place they are without a team to go to.

It happens over and over each year.  Just when you think everything is safe......BAM :shock:

[poolboy]

yobo2one dude, 80-90% of the cp's/players are wonderful and are up front w/ their intentions (which is the way it should be) but there is always a few that will turn on you in a heart beat and not even give it a second thought. players-  go to the neighbors try-outs to the north, south, east, and west and talk w/ the top players to come join their club because this team sucks. cp's do this to in the stands too :twisted: .  unbelieveable :shock:  to me how some live their lives thru their children. cut throat yes just stay clear of these wackos, hang w/ the 80-90% and enjoy your LD's youth sports.

[Hula Girl]

Well said Poolboy :mrgreen:

[Hula Girl]

Well, Mr.umm, for now we will have to agree to disagree.  I just cannot  agree that tryouts are the place to check things out.  Maybe a couple of years of doing this whole select thing will make me change my mind.  Though I doubt it. My skins just not thick enough to stick around for too long.  

Seriously poolboy, how does that work?  YA just tell the kids "lets go to a tryout and see whose good and we will try to get them to our club?" Jeez kids soccer is a cut throat world.

Hahaha a cut throat world   YES it is :lol:  :mrgreen:

[cheese]

Well, Mr.umm, for now we will have to agree to disagree.  I just cannot  agree that tryouts are the place to check things out.  Maybe a couple of years of doing this whole select thing will make me change my mind.  Though I doubt it. My skins just not thick enough to stick around for too long.  

Seriously poolboy, how does that work?  YA just tell the kids "lets go to a tryout and see whose good and we will try to get them to our club?" Jeez kids soccer is a cut throat world.

Hahaha a cut throat world   YES it is :lol:  :mrgreen:

Where ya been Hula?  
It's been a while

[Yobo2One]

Hey Hula girl . Shake it don't break it !  Your milk shake brings all the boys to the yard !!

[poolboy]

hey yobo dude, it's SHAKA don't breaka. which yard are ya talkin bout cuz i'm in if hula babe is there    remember pour my pc on the strong side.

[Dragon]

Nice ta see both Pooly and Huley posting again :mrgreen:


You peep's shouldn't disappear fo so long, makes D sad :oops:

[hefe]

Welcome back Hula Girl Poolboy where ya been  :roll:

[poolboy]

dragoooon dude, your spiderman dude is sooooooooooo cool, he is cooler than pb's head banger dude. i have nicknamed him napolean dynamite heck ya- tina eat your dinner you fat lard- napolean what are ya gona do today? whatever i want gawd! pb

[Dragon]

dragoooon dude, your spiderman dude is sooooooooooo cool, he is cooler than pb's head banger dude. i have nicknamed him napolean dynamite heck ya- tina eat your dinner you fat lard- napolean what are ya gona do today? whatever i want gawd! pb

Good one PB, changed the signature line just fo you

[poolboy]

love ya dude- not really  but it sounded good :lol: .   well maybe i do love ya :oops:  and i just don't know it yet- i'm so confused :?    

[Yobo2One]

Thats dudette to you pool boy.  :lol: