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[Dragon]

Dragon has heard of paying for a coach's costs when it come ta travel or hotel or stuff like that...

But has anyone heard of paying for a "team manager" for all that stuff?  How can that be, they are just a parent like everyone else.  If you have heard of such a thing let us know :?

[yote19]

Sometimes team managers have more power, coercion and emphasis than coach or asst coach.  But I agree they are a team parent volunteering.  Do we pay the way for the guy that brings the easy up, the portabench, the team photographer, the team cheerleader. :roll:

[Victory]

Sometimes team managers have more power, coercion and emphasis than coach or asst coach.  But I agree they are a team parent volunteering. Do we pay the way for the guy that brings the easy up, the portabench, the team photographer, the team cheerleader. :roll:

I thought the team manager did all those jobs.

[Brat Jr]

Dragon has heard of paying for a coach's costs when it come ta travel or hotel or stuff like that...

But has anyone heard of paying for a "team manager" for all that stuff?  How can that be, they are just a parent like everyone else.  If you have heard of such a thing let us know :?

yup :shock:

[cheese]

If the team pays for it then I'm in :mrgreen:

I thought all those jobs were volunteer.

[yote19]

Sometimes team managers have more power, coercion and emphasis than coach or asst coach.  But I agree they are a team parent volunteering. Do we pay the way for the guy that brings the easy up, the portabench, the team photographer, the team cheerleader. :roll:

I thought the team manager did all those jobs.

Not on our team--it is split up with many doing overtime.

[sccraddict]

Team managers should not have a free ride as they are a parent of a kid that is playing - but I will say that most team managers do a lot for the team and it is not an easy job - so be nice to your team managers - buy 'em a drink or something, but I wouldn't pay for their room or travel.

[sccraddict]

Dragon has heard of paying for a coach's costs when it come ta travel or hotel or stuff like that...

But has anyone heard of paying for a "team manager" for all that stuff?  How can that be, they are just a parent like everyone else.  If you have heard of such a thing let us know :?

Know of some that team managers don't have to pay for their kid to play......

[Brat Jr]

I never got that treatment nor did I expect it. If this is the trend, I wanna be team manager again :mrgreen:
I did get a lesser fee from the Club and a nifty coaches jacket.

[Soccer Freak]

Dragon has heard of paying for a coach's costs when it come ta travel or hotel or stuff like that...

But has anyone heard of paying for a "team manager" for all that stuff?  How can that be, they are just a parent like everyone else.  If you have heard of such a thing let us know :?

Yes, it is commonplace at certain clubs.  I also know not all team managers agree, and some pay their own way regardless, other get reimbursed for everything they can!!!!!!    I agree, it is ridiculous.  Volunteering is volunteering, we all help out in certain areas.  Yes, Team Managers do a lot of work!  :!:  We can all agree with that, but they are all parents as well, and they would have to travel whether they are managers or not.  

JMO of course.

[ineedtogetalife]

Team managers should not have a free ride as they are a parent of a kid that is playing - but I will say that most team managers do a lot for the team and it is not an easy job - so be nice to your team managers - buy 'em a drink or something, but I wouldn't pay for their room or travel.

There is no way I would ever expect to have anything paid for me. I agreed to become a team manager because I want to help the team. All I ever expect of the parents is to respond quickly when I need information .

Our team is fortunate to  have several parents who have volunteered to help with all the tasks of taking care of our team. Other Managers out there may be juggling more than they should because no one else stepped up to help :? . Maybe those that don't volunteer feel they should compensate those who do help keep teams running smoothly.

btw, ALL our parents show their appreciation for my efforts and that is  all the motivation I need  to continue to do my best for their daughters .

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[kennard04]

Dragon has heard of paying for a coach's costs when it come ta travel or hotel or stuff like that...

But has anyone heard of paying for a "team manager" for all that stuff?  How can that be, they are just a parent like everyone else.  If you have heard of such a thing let us know :?

depends on the manager, what they do, and possibly their financial situation. Would I do all the work our manager does ? NO WAY, not for $100 an hour. So; what is it worth to me, to not have to do all that ? Alot, enough to pay their away expenses ? You bet, in a heartbeat. Our previous manager was the same, I'd gladly pay for all the effort she put in.

I can work on my own cars, do I ? No, not worth the time I have to invest because I want to do other things. I just want to go and watch DD play. I pay for that now in club fees, coaches fees. I think paying a team mangaer is a worthwhile expenditure. My free time is valuable to me.

[overachiever]

Have known of a parent (who's family needed a scholarship to play) offer services as team manager - not with one team, but both DK's teams - intent was to give somethig back-class act!  Neither team paid Managers travel expenses.

Absolutely do NOT agree with Managers travel expenses being subsidized by team they manage, i.e. an extra $20 tacked on your bill for tournament.  If it's a matter of rewarding a good volunteer - give them a plaque at the end of the season, or a gift card - but when you start covering Managers travel expenses - where does it end....has too much potential to cause resentment and hard feelings - not worh it.

However, I do not have a problem with club giving a $$$$ break to Team Manager re: player fees (just for an example - say $10 less/month for coaches fee) - or if a family pays everything upfront - say $100 less for registration fee......but this subsidy should come from club coffers  - not an individual team.

When I add everything up - it's kinda of depressing thinking how much money my family spends on soccer.      

With that said, we've made a CHOICE to play and the Manager has made that choice too!

[2 CENTS]

I never got that treatment nor did I expect it. If this is the trend, I wanna be team manager again :mrgreen:
I did get a lesser fee from the Club and a nifty coaches jacket.

Team manager is a very thankless job and lot harder than most people would believe, our team manager looks like the guy driving the Ikea car  :shock: , maybe we should give her one of those nifty coaches jacket.  :mrgreen:

[ShelbyJ]

Sorry, guys, I have to disagree with you here. At my nieces clubs, and when my older children played, the kids stay four to a room. There are two people in charge--the manager and the coach. The parents are welcome to help out, but they are free to come and go, and most do.

As a manager, I did all the laundry, arranged and drove the vans, with the help of the coach, made every sack lunch, take them on all their team activities, supervised the girls from the moment they wake up until curfew. On many of the trips, there might only 3 or 4 parents who travel, which means I was the responsible adult for 3-4 days for 17 girls in places like Washington DC, Florida, Hawaii, and so on. My room is an open room 24 hours a day--I have taken girls to the hospital, helped them when they started their period for the first time, and more things than I can count.

The team paid my airfare and my plane ticket because I am acting as the parent. Like I said, it depends on the age of the girls. If the girls (or boys) are staying with their parents, then of course a team would not pay. But the work of a manager, at least at some clubs, is a big job.  

Just another perspective.

[Brat Jr]

I never got that treatment nor did I expect it. If this is the trend, I wanna be team manager again :mrgreen:
I did get a lesser fee from the Club and a nifty coaches jacket.

Team manager is a very thankless job and lot harder than most people would believe, our team manager looks like the guy driving the Ikea car  :shock: , maybe we should give her one of those nifty coaches jacket.  :mrgreen:

Thankless or no, I LOVED doing it, along with the web pages.
I get up early so I can do stuff online ( read WPS) and get things done for the team.

[yote19]

Hey I want one of those nifty coaches jackets--and I coach. :lol:   NO my team just sends me to the Mariners and Anthony's for dinner.  It is all good and I get to pay for my daughter to play.

[Dragon]

What if all the responsibilities are spread out among other volunteer parents (different jobs on the team)?   And all the parents go to the out of state tournaments with their kids?

Should the manager then STILL get a free ride?? :roll:

[yote19]

Nope!  in my opinion.  What about the DOC--he organized his team into the PDL and they are playing fantastic and won a berth to Loss Wages and now wants a trip paid for by the team because he wants to have a drink and visit with the other DOC's--nevermind :roll:

[overachiever]

Since this is the U11-U13 thread - I'm assuming that most families at those ages would attend tournaments, instate or out-of state with their DK's.  At the older ages - when there are only a few adults chaperoneing an entire team -maybe some subsidy is in order - but at the U11-U13 ages NO.

[nosoupforU]

Sorry, guys, I have to disagree with you here. At my nieces clubs, and when my older children played, the kids stay four to a room. There are two people in charge--the manager and the coach. The parents are welcome to help out, but they are free to come and go, and most do.

As a manager, I did all the laundry, arranged and drove the vans, with the help of the coach, made every sack lunch, take them on all their team activities, supervised the girls from the moment they wake up until curfew. On many of the trips, there might only 3 or 4 parents who travel, which means I was the responsible adult for 3-4 days for 17 girls in places like Washington DC, Florida, Hawaii, and so on. My room is an open room 24 hours a day--I have taken girls to the hospital, helped them when they started their period for the first time, and more things than I can count.

The team paid my airfare and my plane ticket because I am acting as the parent. Like I said, it depends on the age of the girls. If the girls (or boys) are staying with their parents, then of course a team would not pay. But the work of a manager, at least at some clubs, is a big job.  

Just another perspective.

WOW next time your team has a try-out let me know. That is above and beyond the call of duty, you could be collecting nanny wages

[sccraddict]

Sorry, guys, I have to disagree with you here. At my nieces clubs, and when my older children played, the kids stay four to a room. There are two people in charge--the manager and the coach. The parents are welcome to help out, but they are free to come and go, and most do.

As a manager, I did all the laundry, arranged and drove the vans, with the help of the coach, made every sack lunch, take them on all their team activities, supervised the girls from the moment they wake up until curfew. On many of the trips, there might only 3 or 4 parents who travel, which means I was the responsible adult for 3-4 days for 17 girls in places like Washington DC, Florida, Hawaii, and so on. My room is an open room 24 hours a day--I have taken girls to the hospital, helped them when they started their period for the first time, and more things than I can count.

The team paid my airfare and my plane ticket because I am acting as the parent. Like I said, it depends on the age of the girls. If the girls (or boys) are staying with their parents, then of course a team would not pay. But the work of a manager, at least at some clubs, is a big job.  

Just another perspective.

Shelby - in this type of situation if it were only the kids, coach and manager I can see that.  But to pay for your manager to stay in a hotel in Snohomish - now that is a little different story.  I think your example is a little out of the ordinary as to what the thread was started for, but in that type of situation, especially if I were not traveling with my kid, then it might be a different story - but I always go.

[Just4Kids]

I feel that the Manager and Coaches should not have to pay the club fees for their kid on the team.  I know people do it because they like doing it, but it is the least the Club can do since without Managers or Coaches there is no Club.

[ShelbyJ]

sccreaddict and others are right of course--why would you pay for the manager to stay at a hotel with his/her own family? Really, then the parents are taking care of the kids. The two teams I managed, I never had anyone pay for for stuff when all the families were traveling. At that point, I'm just a parent who checks the team in!

But as teams get older, fewer and fewer parents travel. One year, my daughter's team went to California, Texas, Florida, Las Vegas, and Washington DC. Who can afford that much time off of work  

Being a manager is a totally wonderful job, but I would hate to characterize managers who get air/hotel covered as all money-mongering. I guess it depends on what they do for the team which must be different from team to team.

[sccraddict]

sccreaddict and others are right of course--why would you pay for the manager to stay at a hotel with his/her own family? Really, then the parents are taking care of the kids. The two teams I managed, I never had anyone pay for for stuff when all the families were traveling. At that point, I'm just a parent who checks the team in!

But as teams get older, fewer and fewer parents travel. One year, my daughter's team went to California, Texas, Florida, Las Vegas, and Washington DC. Who can afford that much time off of work  

Being a manager is a totally wonderful job, but I would hate to characterize managers who get air/hotel covered as all money-mongering. I guess it depends on what they do for the team which must be different from team to team.

Well put Shelby and oh so true......my boss hates this time of the year as I am taking off all kinds of time to make long weekends for tournaments and travel.  But with older dd some parents don't even travel as much for the local games, let alone the out of state....and who would send a bunch of 16-18 year old kids without a chaperone  :shock:

[tiekesccr]

 :twisted: I have coached and managed and done all of those lovely jobs that go with both. I have never gotten a penny other than thank you and free dinner. Managing is something that is voluntary. Yes it has it's perks, but many more nightmares. But it is voluntary and you can always quit, should you be paided.........I do not think so. :twisted:

[kennard04]

 :twisted: I have coached and managed and done all of those lovely jobs that go with both. I have never gotten a penny other than thank you and free dinner. Managing is something that is voluntary. Yes it has it's perks, but many more nightmares. But it is voluntary and you can always quit, should you be paided.........I do not think so. :twisted:

it is a volunteer position, 100%. But like our team, our manager kills herself day in and day out as the manager. What's to stop us parents from getting together and chipping in to cover some or all of her expenses ? I wouldn't do it, but would I pay someone to do it ? You betcha. What's the difference. I value what she does, my time is worth alot to me. She takes that load of work off my shoulders. I'd pay for it gladly.

[English1]

I believe it really takes a village to raise a soccer team.  Our Coaches could of charged parents this year but chose not to even though he has a B license.  I adore our girls and I feel I am honored to be able to help them by Managing the team.  I would never expect to be compensated and do it for the love of the game and the love of kids....no, I am not a Martyr but where do we draw the line in being paid??  This is kids sports not a salaried position - I save that for the daytime :mrgreen:

[Whistleman]

Yes, but I think there is a difference between being compensated for costs incurred and being "paid" as in making a profit. At the older ages, should the manager be expected to pay for all their flights and to take care of the kids when parents don't travel? If so, then I think many teams will have to trade the position of manager around for each trip. I doubt many of the hard working managers could afford to travel to all the tournaments and showcases that many teams go to. At the local level and younger ages, I agree--few managers would expect to be compensated for costs.

[Whome?]

When you talk about chaperoning for a travel tournament that is a different issue.

I know of one team that has two parents volunteer (manager or not) to chaperon the players and the team pays for their hotel rooms but not all of the travel cost.

You will find out it's only a few mom's who are willing or can take the time out to travel every time with the team and who has the patience to deal with teenagers.  It's a lot of work.

I haven't know of a team who pays for their manager, travel or not.