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[Futsal]

PDL sucks!

Must be from River City or Spokane Soccer Club    

Don't think he is from Spokane SC  

For us way over here the PDL means sending 10 year olds (U11) to play every game 300 miles away from home.  

If the PDL really thought this was a good development model, then those DOC's would be sending their U10 teams to play every game in SoCal.  

[easternwashington]

Why not CB United....BMSC....Wenatchee....etc....or even crush...patriots...thunderbirds...etc....

....or individual teams that do well....MONOPOLY IS BAD!!!!

[Drfredc]

Why not CB United.... BMSC.... Wenatchee....etc....or even crush...patriots...thunderbirds...etc....

....or individual teams that do well....MONOPOLY IS BAD!!!!

Last I checked, no club in WA has a monopoly on talent. However, there is a distinct wall that prohibits talent outside of metro areas from coming together, even for a couple months of play.  

San Francisco has anti-monopoly rules like you seem to want -- they prohibit any grocery store from operating more than two(?) facilities with in the City so that the small MaPa stores don't have to compete with larger stores.  As a result, SF has lots of quaint MaPa stores, prices are high, variety and over-all quality in any store modest at best...   However, it's convenient to walk (not drive) down to the corner MaPa store for a few items that you forgot to pick up at one of the larger mega grocery stores you do most of your shopping at just outside the city limits.  Outside of SF, few of these small business can compete -- generally, it's a dead end localized special existence for these business owners.   Yet, this seems the direction you'd like WA Youth Soccer to stay in/move to?

[easternwashington]

Hey Dr......being a Dr....you would know that you are comparing two completely different things.....they do not relate at all to each other.....one is youth soccer....the other is groceries....one is about selling food.....the other is about soccer players......one is not about a monopoly of talent.....the other has nothing to do with soccer.....Please have relevant information.

[easternwashington]

...one more tidbit Dr.....SanFran is not allowing an open market.....that is killing the free market.....PDL kills the free market.....SanFran is making it so the ma-pas do not have to compete with the big Supermarkets.....PDL is making it so the big clubs(big supermarkets) dont have to compete with the small clubs (ma-pas)....If Crossfire EFC ECSC etc. is much better...then they do not need to have monopoly rules.

....its all about eliminating competition to gain for themselves.....

[Drfredc]

PDL is making it so the big clubs (big supermarkets) dont have to compete with the small clubs (ma-pas)....

Fine print -- a lot of this is about league play...  Not tournament or Cup play.

  If the small clubs don't like the PDL setup and league play, do what you can to reduce the importance of the statewide travel leagues -- shorten them, set up some regional conferences to reduce travel, have a short spring  league as warmup for open tournament season,  extend tournaments into fall to fill the league void, set up a ratings based system for tournament play to help seeding, perhaps work to provide some sort of short all star regional winter league with regional teams that would go on to Cup play to do their thing to show that they are equal or superior to the PDLs  year round one club approach.  Whatever floats your boat.  

 There are plenty of options available, especially if the WSYSA is promoted to open up to a wider marketplace of ideas so areas like Ea Wa, N Sound and S Sound/Va can come up with solutions that fit their ruralish environment.  Then get out there, develop and compete with a better product.  If successful, you may even have some PDL clubs rethinking their PDL commitments to massage Crossfire's backside much of the year.  

 Jumping up and down in a hissy fit whining about the need to  return to status quo ain't going anywhere.   That ship has sailed leaving MaPas their row boat...  It's time for MaPas to go back to the drawing board...  

The MaPa reality (which is probably shared by many PDL teams) is most have 3 to 7 top players and a boat load of decent to mediocre utilily/filler players.  It's a fine environment to learn good soccer, up to a point.  The regional reality is there are probably 12 to 18 top MaPa players in each of N Sound, Ea Wa, S Sound/Vancouver regions, who could compete with Crossfire if given the chance.  

These players would also bring back and share their experiences playing higher level ball to their home teams, much as World Cup National Players bring world Cup skills back to their home teams...  

Meanwhile, the mediocre/modestly talented players & parents might get a needed rest from year round soccer, freeing their teammates to step it up a notch to practice and play with other top notch, highly motivated and talented players.  This is also the model that Little League Baseball successfully uses for it's World Series teams...

Or feel free to paddle around in circles -- good luck getting anywhere...

[vms]

Fred in your world, the best kids from each region would   show for a new team. Are these kids selected? Is there ONE team per region? TWO?THREE? If MLS or companies like Nike  had a greater role in backing these newly formed clubs then it might work. But if left to the same people who already run WSYSA/PDL clubs, then I am not so sure. Politics will again drive this bus

[centralwashington]

Fred,
Go fill a cavity or something.  You think you know all but you are so sheltered in your big city!  Your bla bla is annoying.

[Drfredc]

... You think you know all but you are so sheltered in your big city! ...

 Uh, I live in a ruralish unincorporated area, ten minutes outside of quaint (little) Snohomish.  My regular travel patterns to work and soccer only occasionally encounter a traffic light.  Not what anyone would call 'big city', although I used to live in Seattle 20 years ago.  

  I also never said I know all...  However, I have been in this long enough to bump shoulders and pick up perspectives from soccer folks of all sorts...   I do plead guilty of not being particularly afraid to share my own perspectives, right or wrong.

[monday]

... You think you know all but you are so sheltered in your big city! ...

 Uh, I live in a ruralish unincorporated area, ten minutes outside of quaint (little) Snohomish.  My regular travel patterns to work and soccer only occasionally encounter a traffic light.  Not what anyone would call 'big city', although I used to live in Seattle 20 years ago.  

  I also never said I know all...  However, I have been in this long enough to bump shoulders and pick up perspectives from soccer folks of all sorts...   I do plead guilty of not being particularly afraid to share my own perspectives, right or wrong.

I'm thinking you are making some great points Dr. Fred.   You have a great curiousity about solving problems.   Thinking is good; keep it up as I always look to your posts with great interest.   Your thinking and desire to make better  is what makes this country great --- And I mean that!!

[Drfredc]

I'm thinking you are making some great points Dr. Fred.   You have a great curiousity about solving problems.   Thinking is good; keep it up as I always look to your posts with great interest.   Your thinking and desire to make better  is what makes this country great --- And I mean that!!

Thank you.  As you probably note, some of my posts are purposefully 'out there' trolls just to open the lid of the box for others to look and think a bit outside of the box.  

What is a troll?  

* In fishing, it's dragging something behind your boat to attract fish to bite the hook.  

* In soccer tactics, a troll is a player who runs thru an area in attempt to get a defender to mark and follow him out of defensive area, to be followed by an offensive attack by another player.  

* In forums, it's purpose is to attract people's attention to an issue by taking a position that stands out a little bit from the norm.

[edmonds55]

I'm thinking you are making some great points Dr. Fred.   You have a great curiousity about solving problems.   Thinking is good; keep it up as I always look to your posts with great interest.   Your thinking and desire to make better  is what makes this country great --- And I mean that!!

Thank you.  As you probably note, some of my posts are purposefully 'out there' trolls just to open the lid of the box for others to look and think a bit outside of the box.  

What is a troll?  

* In fishing, it's dragging something behind your boat to attract fish to bite the hook.  

* In soccer tactics, a troll is a player who runs thru an area in attempt to get a defender to mark and follow him out of defensive area, to be followed by an offensive attack by another player.  

* In forums, it's purpose is to attract people's attention to an issue by taking a position that stands out a little bit from the norm.

 Troll;

to wander about or ramble, ramble and ramble..........

Ramble

to talk or write in discursive, aimless way,  "dfredc rambled on and on and on with anecdote after anedote after anecdote."  

[socrtaxi]

welcome back Eddy

Hope you ds has found a place to play. He is a good player and would fit in just about any team. Surprised he isnt with his old team mates. hmmmm...

Miss your songs.... ok.. I lied hahaha. seriously though, you added color to the forum, hope you stick around  dont disappear

socrtaxi  

[Drfredc]

What is a troll?  ...

* In forums, it's purpose is to attract people's attention to an issue by taking a position that stands out a little bit from the norm.

Troll;

to wander about or ramble, ramble and ramble..........

Ramble

to talk or write in discursive, aimless way,  "dfredc rambled on and on and on with anecdote after anedote after anecdote."  

A successful troll gets the trollee to follow the bait on and on and on.  Thanks for being there...  

[EWSoccer64]

interesting history here.