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[Syngy]

I had donuts.  I really like the chocolate with sprinkles  :lol:

[caesar]

The club made the decision so as not to burn out kids/families at the younger ages a/ travel and expense. There are lots of good teams and games to be had in Oregon, but at U11 D5 is requiring the teams to stay in district.  I think this can be worked around w/ lots of scrimmages throughout the season- but we'll see come Cup time.

I can respect that decision ..... don't necessarily agree with it ... but respect it nontheless.  Maybe for a Devo team but not an A team.
IMO: The arguement falls a liitle short too when you look at GU12 and your U12s will be traveling all over OR to play (Bend / Roseburg etc). Not sure I see much difference regarding burn-out, expense/travel etc. ? No GU13s in PDL either? (CPSC absent @ G&B U11/U12/U13)
A 14-16 game PDL season with half of the games away and doubleheader weekends is no more - no less than what GU-11 premeier teams do for summer tournament play.

I'm a big proponent of "if you want to run with the big dogs you gotta play with 'em".  Again ... just my opinion ... but by opting outta the PDL for this year I think the Timbers (GU11) will find themselves a step behind the other teams. (especially after looking at the D5 competition - no disrespect) Time will tell as will the Challenge Cup. Don't get me wrong .... I wish the best for the Timber Gals :mrgreen:  ... just think the club made a bad decision for the Reds. :|

[Syngy]

Part of HOMER is going to miss seeing dd playing against XFIRE, EASTSIDE, Eagles, Harbor, FC Alliance, ECFC, Snoho, and Timbers.  These clubs definately bring their "A"game at the U11 level.  When you play teams like the above you are challenged to "bring it" each and every time out on the pitch.

[soccerworld]

Agree somewhat with your logic Caeser. However keep in mind who each team played in bracket play or qualifying to advance to the "elite"bracket or the diamond bracket at Chinook Cup. Duffy played Eastisde Red which are agruably the best u11team in our state with a very strong b team which they may have used as guest players no doubt. Trinidad made it to the finals against Eastside. The top two teams came out of the A bracket where Duffy was also placed and Duffy did suffer two losses against those teams. I contend that if they were in another bracket they would have qualified in the Gold Plantinum as well. Not taking away a great performance to win the diamond division which is also part of the Gold bracket.

It also appears that some teams get the benefit of the doubt in these "opinion" polls based on strength of club and past history of club which I completely understand as well.  Other clubs, such as Harbor, are still in the growth process but we are starting to definitely put out quality teams at the young level :lol:

Looking forward ....  the Duffsters have a wonderful opportunity this weekend to prove they belong within the Top 10 when they travel to play Eagles - Krage. (Caesar's: #6 vs #12) ..... some great match-ups this weekend :mrgreen:
The nice thing about league play is it removes the tournament variables such as multiple games in one day, guest players, etc. and gives us all a more realistic view of the teams at play.

.... also keep in mind that in this guessing game (rankings) the difference between #12 and #10 - #9 - #8 is often times just what 10 year old girls ate for breakfast  ...... doh (that was for Syngy/homer!)

Good luck to the Duffsters this weekend!

Or how early the game is....etc. There are definitely alot of variables that enter at this age beside talent Thanks for the good luck wishes, should be a very exciting and competitive season!

[Just4Kids]

The club made the decision so as not to burn out kids/families at the younger ages a/ travel and expense. There are lots of good teams and games to be had in Oregon, but at U11 D5 is requiring the teams to stay in district.  I think this can be worked around w/ lots of scrimmages throughout the season- but we'll see come Cup time.

I can respect that decision ..... don't necessarily agree with it ... but respect it nontheless.  Maybe for a Devo team but not an A team.
IMO: The arguement falls a liitle short too when you look at GU12 and your U12s will be traveling all over OR to play (Bend / Roseburg etc). Not sure I see much difference regarding burn-out, expense/travel etc. ? No GU13s in PDL either? (CPSC absent @ G&B U11/U12/U13)
A 14-16 game PDL season with half of the games away and doubleheader weekends is no more - no less than what GU-11 premeier teams do for summer tournament play.

I'm a big proponent of "if you want to run with the big dogs you gotta play with 'em".  Again ... just my opinion ... but by opting outta the PDL for this year I think the Timbers (GU11) will find themselves a step behind the other teams. (especially after looking at the D5 competition - no disrespect) Time will tell as will the Challenge Cup. Don't get me wrong .... I wish the best for the Timber Gals :mrgreen:  ... just think the club made a bad decision for the Reds. :|

I totally agree with you Caesar.  Not to mention the fact, to play in OR it is about $600 more a team, that is an extra Tournament  

Byt he way you rock Caesar.  You are doing an awesome job.

[caesar]

The club made the decision so as not to burn out kids/families at the younger ages a/ travel and expense. There are lots of good teams and games to be had in Oregon, but at U11 D5 is requiring the teams to stay in district.  I think this can be worked around w/ lots of scrimmages throughout the season- but we'll see come Cup time.

I can respect that decision ..... don't necessarily agree with it ... but respect it nontheless.  Maybe for a Devo team but not an A team.
IMO: The arguement falls a liitle short too when you look at GU12 and your U12s will be traveling all over OR to play (Bend / Roseburg etc). Not sure I see much difference regarding burn-out, expense/travel etc. ? No GU13s in PDL either? (CPSC absent @ G&B U11/U12/U13)
A 14-16 game PDL season with half of the games away and doubleheader weekends is no more - no less than what GU-11 premeier teams do for summer tournament play.

I'm a big proponent of "if you want to run with the big dogs you gotta play with 'em".  Again ... just my opinion ... but by opting outta the PDL for this year I think the Timbers (GU11) will find themselves a step behind the other teams. (especially after looking at the D5 competition - no disrespect) Time will tell as will the Challenge Cup. Don't get me wrong .... I wish the best for the Timber Gals :mrgreen:  ... just think the club made a bad decision for the Reds. :|

I totally agree with you Caesar.  Not to mention the fact, to play in OR it is about $600 more a team, that is an extra Tournament  

Byt he way you rock Caesar.  You are doing an awesome job.

Wow ... really? ... how much does it cost to play in OR: total $?

[soccerpop]

The club made the decision so as not to burn out kids/families at the younger ages a/ travel and expense. There are lots of good teams and games to be had in Oregon, but at U11 D5 is requiring the teams to stay in district.  I think this can be worked around w/ lots of scrimmages throughout the season- but we'll see come Cup time.

I can respect that decision ..... don't necessarily agree with it ... but respect it nontheless.  Maybe for a Devo team but not an A team.
IMO: The arguement falls a liitle short too when you look at GU12 and your U12s will be traveling all over OR to play (Bend / Roseburg etc). Not sure I see much difference regarding burn-out, expense/travel etc. ? No GU13s in PDL either? (CPSC absent @ G&B U11/U12/U13)
A 14-16 game PDL season with half of the games away and doubleheader weekends is no more - no less than what GU-11 premeier teams do for summer tournament play.

I'm a big proponent of "if you want to run with the big dogs you gotta play with 'em".  Again ... just my opinion ... but by opting outta the PDL for this year I think the Timbers (GU11) will find themselves a step behind the other teams. (especially after looking at the D5 competition - no disrespect) Time will tell as will the Challenge Cup. Don't get me wrong .... I wish the best for the Timber Gals :mrgreen:  ... just think the club made a bad decision for the Reds. :|

Caesar- lets don't embellish to prove a point. We do not travel all over Oregon. 1 in Bend, 1 in Eugene is not "all over Oregon " at least this is what my wife has down on the calendar. I am sure the PDL is great for the Seattle teams, just like Oregon is great for the Vantucky teams

[Black Knight]

The club made the decision so as not to burn out kids/families at the younger ages a/ travel and expense. There are lots of good teams and games to be had in Oregon, but at U11 D5 is requiring the teams to stay in district.  I think this can be worked around w/ lots of scrimmages throughout the season- but we'll see come Cup time.

I can respect that decision ..... don't necessarily agree with it ... but respect it nontheless.  Maybe for a Devo team but not an A team.
IMO: The arguement falls a liitle short too when you look at GU12 and your U12s will be traveling all over OR to play (Bend / Roseburg etc). Not sure I see much difference regarding burn-out, expense/travel etc. ? No GU13s in PDL either? (CPSC absent @ G&B U11/U12/U13)
A 14-16 game PDL season with half of the games away and doubleheader weekends is no more - no less than what GU-11 premeier teams do for summer tournament play.

I'm a big proponent of "if you want to run with the big dogs you gotta play with 'em".  Again ... just my opinion ... but by opting outta the PDL for this year I think the Timbers (GU11) will find themselves a step behind the other teams. (especially after looking at the D5 competition - no disrespect) Time will tell as will the Challenge Cup. Don't get me wrong .... I wish the best for the Timber Gals :mrgreen:  ... just think the club made a bad decision for the Reds. :|

I totally agree with you Caesar.  Not to mention the fact, to play in OR it is about $600 more a team, that is an extra Tournament  

Byt he way you rock Caesar.  You are doing an awesome job.

Can't say i totally agree. Yeah you may have to go to bend once or somewhere else, but other than that all your away games are basically in portland. That means your traveling around a half hour for your away games. Or you could play in washington where you have to traveling on average 2 1/2- 4 hours per away game. And thats EVERY away game. plus at the younger ages a year round schedule is very difficult on the kids. In oregon they double up their weekends which ends the season earlier and allows the coaches to take some extra time off. Also if the u11 teams are worried about development after the oregon league is done in about two months they can schedule as many scrimmages against hte top teams in portland as they want. I think overall there is much deeper talent in washington, so thats why im glad the clubs decide to go to washington at the older ages.

Also one more thing all the younger fcv teams u12 and up arep laying in the pdl. Except for the u13 girls. Just for an FYI this is basically looked at as a mistake by their old doc. most coaches and parents were VERY unhappy that she made the desicion to send their younger teams.

[caesar]

The club made the decision so as not to burn out kids/families at the younger ages a/ travel and expense. There are lots of good teams and games to be had in Oregon, but at U11 D5 is requiring the teams to stay in district.  I think this can be worked around w/ lots of scrimmages throughout the season- but we'll see come Cup time.

I can respect that decision ..... don't necessarily agree with it ... but respect it nontheless.  Maybe for a Devo team but not an A team.
IMO: The arguement falls a liitle short too when you look at GU12 and your U12s will be traveling all over OR to play (Bend / Roseburg etc). Not sure I see much difference regarding burn-out, expense/travel etc. ? No GU13s in PDL either? (CPSC absent @ G&B U11/U12/U13)
A 14-16 game PDL season with half of the games away and doubleheader weekends is no more - no less than what GU-11 premeier teams do for summer tournament play.

I'm a big proponent of "if you want to run with the big dogs you gotta play with 'em".  Again ... just my opinion ... but by opting outta the PDL for this year I think the Timbers (GU11) will find themselves a step behind the other teams. (especially after looking at the D5 competition - no disrespect) Time will tell as will the Challenge Cup. Don't get me wrong .... I wish the best for the Timber Gals :mrgreen:  ... just think the club made a bad decision for the Reds. :|

Caesar- lets don't embellish to prove a point. We do not travel all over Oregon. 1 in Bend, 1 in Eugene is not "all over Oregon " at least this is what my wife has down on the calendar. I am sure the PDL is great for the Seattle teams, just like Oregon is great for the Vantucky teams

Soccerpop-
Not sure on how you define "embellish" but I just checked the OYSA website again and there are teams from Medford / Roseburg / Rouge Valley / Eugene  / Salem / Bend / McMinneville / Kaiser / Portland etc. That pretty much is all over the state
Your particular team may not have to travel to all these places but the way I understand the OR playoff system you have no control over who is in your division because its all based on who qualifies.
So in deciding to play in OR a SWWA team pretty much rolls the dice as to where and who they'll be playing.
So if that qualifies for embellishment than you're correct ... I am an embellisher

[Black Knight]

The club made the decision so as not to burn out kids/families at the younger ages a/ travel and expense. There are lots of good teams and games to be had in Oregon, but at U11 D5 is requiring the teams to stay in district.  I think this can be worked around w/ lots of scrimmages throughout the season- but we'll see come Cup time.

I can respect that decision ..... don't necessarily agree with it ... but respect it nontheless.  Maybe for a Devo team but not an A team.
IMO: The arguement falls a liitle short too when you look at GU12 and your U12s will be traveling all over OR to play (Bend / Roseburg etc). Not sure I see much difference regarding burn-out, expense/travel etc. ? No GU13s in PDL either? (CPSC absent @ G&B U11/U12/U13)
A 14-16 game PDL season with half of the games away and doubleheader weekends is no more - no less than what GU-11 premeier teams do for summer tournament play.

I'm a big proponent of "if you want to run with the big dogs you gotta play with 'em".  Again ... just my opinion ... but by opting outta the PDL for this year I think the Timbers (GU11) will find themselves a step behind the other teams. (especially after looking at the D5 competition - no disrespect) Time will tell as will the Challenge Cup. Don't get me wrong .... I wish the best for the Timber Gals :mrgreen:  ... just think the club made a bad decision for the Reds. :|

Caesar- lets don't embellish to prove a point. We do not travel all over Oregon. 1 in Bend, 1 in Eugene is not "all over Oregon " at least this is what my wife has down on the calendar. I am sure the PDL is great for the Seattle teams, just like Oregon is great for the Vantucky teams

Soccerpop-
Not sure on how you define "embellish" but I just checked the OYSA website again and there are teams from Medford / Roseburg / Rouge Valley / Eugene  / Salem / Bend / McMinneville / Kaiser / Portland etc. That pretty much is all over the state
Your particular team may not have to travel to all these places but the way I understand the OR playoff system you have no control over who is in your division because its all based on who qualifies.
So in deciding to play in OR a SWWA team pretty much rolls the dice as to where and who they'll be playing.
So if that qualifies for embellishment than you're correct ... I am an embellisher

Actually its not as much of a roll of hte dice as you would think. If your team is a p1 teams (all timbers teams made p1 that went down there) the only places that tend to traditionally make it to p1 would be salem (1 hour drive only), bend and thats about it. You sometimes might end up with another fluke team but thats two trips over an hour. All portland trips are usually within 30-45 mins. Still much better than all your away games being 3-4 hours.

[Black Knight]

Just for an example i decided to take a look at the seperate leagues gold division

Gu12 gold: 3 trips of over and hour
Gu13 gold: 1 trip over an hour
Bu12 gold: 0 trips over an hour
bu13 gold: 1 trip over an hour.

As you can see thats compared to 7 trips over an hour. Not much of a comparison

[soccerpop]

Just for an example i decided to take a look at the seperate leagues gold division

Gu12 gold: 3 trips of over and hour
Gu13 gold: 1 trip over an hour
Bu12 gold: 0 trips over an hour
bu13 gold: 1 trip over an hour.

As you can see thats compared to 7 trips over an hour. Not much of a comparison

Thank you Black Knight. When Cee's hits U-12 it might kick in.
Also, thanks for pointing out that we have three games an hour away, the wife shows two. We mighta been a no-show- owe you one. At least on sundays I will be able to watch some NFL games :lol:

[caesar]

The club made the decision so as not to burn out kids/families at the younger ages a/ travel and expense. There are lots of good teams and games to be had in Oregon, but at U11 D5 is requiring the teams to stay in district.  I think this can be worked around w/ lots of scrimmages throughout the season- but we'll see come Cup time.

I can respect that decision ..... don't necessarily agree with it ... but respect it nontheless.  Maybe for a Devo team but not an A team.
IMO: The arguement falls a liitle short too when you look at GU12 and your U12s will be traveling all over OR to play (Bend / Roseburg etc). Not sure I see much difference regarding burn-out, expense/travel etc. ? No GU13s in PDL either? (CPSC absent @ G&B U11/U12/U13)
A 14-16 game PDL season with half of the games away and doubleheader weekends is no more - no less than what GU-11 premeier teams do for summer tournament play.

I'm a big proponent of "if you want to run with the big dogs you gotta play with 'em".  Again ... just my opinion ... but by opting outta the PDL for this year I think the Timbers (GU11) will find themselves a step behind the other teams. (especially after looking at the D5 competition - no disrespect) Time will tell as will the Challenge Cup. Don't get me wrong .... I wish the best for the Timber Gals :mrgreen:  ... just think the club made a bad decision for the Reds. :|

I totally agree with you Caesar.  Not to mention the fact, to play in OR it is about $600 more a team, that is an extra Tournament  

Byt he way you rock Caesar.  You are doing an awesome job.

Can't say i totally agree. Yeah you may have to go to bend once or somewhere else, but other than that all your away games are basically in portland. That means your traveling around a half hour for your away games. Or you could play in washington where you have to traveling on average 2 1/2- 4 hours per away game. And thats EVERY away game. plus at the younger ages a year round schedule is very difficult on the kids. In oregon they double up their weekends which ends the season earlier and allows the coaches to take some extra time off. Also if the u11 teams are worried about development after the oregon league is done in about two months they can schedule as many scrimmages against hte top teams in portland as they want. I think overall there is much deeper talent in washington, so thats why im glad the clubs decide to go to washington at the older ages.

Also one more thing all the younger fcv teams u12 and up arep laying in the pdl. Except for the u13 girls. Just for an FYI this is basically looked at as a mistake by their old doc. most coaches and parents were VERY unhappy that she made the desicion to send their younger teams.

BKnight-
All good points and you are intitled to your opinion.
I've been to all the major OR tournaments this summer and watched a lot of GU11 games and I'll agree with you that the quality of competition is much better in WA. Supports my PDL arguement ...  

I am surprised by your FCV comment? I surely haven't spoken to all GU11 FCV parents but the games I have attended and the parents I have chatted up, as well as the PMs I receive run 100% opposite of what you claim? .... based on that I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you are mistaken or maybe just "embellishing" . Maybe some FCV parents can chime in here ... I'm really not qualified to carry your torch.

I'll wager a bet ..... you'll be singing a different tune next year and we'll see the Timbers in PDL at every age ..... :mrgreen:

[Just4Kids]

For U11.  How many OR teams won OR touranments??  How many WA teams won OR tournaments.  At U11 the competition does not even compare to the WA teams.  Maybe the other ages, but I know U11, state of WA is as good as gets.

[Black Knight]

The club made the decision so as not to burn out kids/families at the younger ages a/ travel and expense. There are lots of good teams and games to be had in Oregon, but at U11 D5 is requiring the teams to stay in district.  I think this can be worked around w/ lots of scrimmages throughout the season- but we'll see come Cup time.

I can respect that decision ..... don't necessarily agree with it ... but respect it nontheless.  Maybe for a Devo team but not an A team.
IMO: The arguement falls a liitle short too when you look at GU12 and your U12s will be traveling all over OR to play (Bend / Roseburg etc). Not sure I see much difference regarding burn-out, expense/travel etc. ? No GU13s in PDL either? (CPSC absent @ G&B U11/U12/U13)
A 14-16 game PDL season with half of the games away and doubleheader weekends is no more - no less than what GU-11 premeier teams do for summer tournament play.

I'm a big proponent of "if you want to run with the big dogs you gotta play with 'em".  Again ... just my opinion ... but by opting outta the PDL for this year I think the Timbers (GU11) will find themselves a step behind the other teams. (especially after looking at the D5 competition - no disrespect) Time will tell as will the Challenge Cup. Don't get me wrong .... I wish the best for the Timber Gals :mrgreen:  ... just think the club made a bad decision for the Reds. :|

I totally agree with you Caesar.  Not to mention the fact, to play in OR it is about $600 more a team, that is an extra Tournament  

Byt he way you rock Caesar.  You are doing an awesome job.

Can't say i totally agree. Yeah you may have to go to bend once or somewhere else, but other than that all your away games are basically in portland. That means your traveling around a half hour for your away games. Or you could play in washington where you have to traveling on average 2 1/2- 4 hours per away game. And thats EVERY away game. plus at the younger ages a year round schedule is very difficult on the kids. In oregon they double up their weekends which ends the season earlier and allows the coaches to take some extra time off. Also if the u11 teams are worried about development after the oregon league is done in about two months they can schedule as many scrimmages against hte top teams in portland as they want. I think overall there is much deeper talent in washington, so thats why im glad the clubs decide to go to washington at the older ages.

Also one more thing all the younger fcv teams u12 and up arep laying in the pdl. Except for the u13 girls. Just for an FYI this is basically looked at as a mistake by their old doc. most coaches and parents were VERY unhappy that she made the desicion to send their younger teams.

BKnight-
All good points and you are intitled to your opinion.
I've been to all the major OR tournaments this summer and watched a lot of GU11 games and I'll agree with you that the quality of competition is much better in WA. Supports my PDL arguement ...  

I am surprised by your FCV comment? I surely haven't spoken to all GU11 FCV parents but the games I have attended and the parents I have chatted up, as well as the PMs I receive run 100% opposite of what you claim? .... based on that I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you are mistaken or maybe just "embellishing" . Maybe some FCV parents can chime in here ... I'm really not qualified to carry your torch.

I'll wager a bet ..... you'll be singing a different tune next year and we'll see the Timbers in PDL at every age ..... :mrgreen:

Well that makes sense your talking to the u11 parents which are supposed to play in D5 and are NOT aloud to play in oregon. so of course if you had the choice to play either d5 or pdl the option is very clear and easy to make.

[caesar]

Still much better than all your away games being 3-4 hours.

Now that's what I call embellishing!  As far as I know there are no away games in Canada :lol:

[caesar]

The club made the decision so as not to burn out kids/families at the younger ages a/ travel and expense. There are lots of good teams and games to be had in Oregon, but at U11 D5 is requiring the teams to stay in district.  I think this can be worked around w/ lots of scrimmages throughout the season- but we'll see come Cup time.

I can respect that decision ..... don't necessarily agree with it ... but respect it nontheless.  Maybe for a Devo team but not an A team.
IMO: The arguement falls a liitle short too when you look at GU12 and your U12s will be traveling all over OR to play (Bend / Roseburg etc). Not sure I see much difference regarding burn-out, expense/travel etc. ? No GU13s in PDL either? (CPSC absent @ G&B U11/U12/U13)
A 14-16 game PDL season with half of the games away and doubleheader weekends is no more - no less than what GU-11 premeier teams do for summer tournament play.

I'm a big proponent of "if you want to run with the big dogs you gotta play with 'em".  Again ... just my opinion ... but by opting outta the PDL for this year I think the Timbers (GU11) will find themselves a step behind the other teams. (especially after looking at the D5 competition - no disrespect) Time will tell as will the Challenge Cup. Don't get me wrong .... I wish the best for the Timber Gals :mrgreen:  ... just think the club made a bad decision for the Reds. :|

I totally agree with you Caesar.  Not to mention the fact, to play in OR it is about $600 more a team, that is an extra Tournament  

Byt he way you rock Caesar.  You are doing an awesome job.

Can't say i totally agree. Yeah you may have to go to bend once or somewhere else, but other than that all your away games are basically in portland. That means your traveling around a half hour for your away games. Or you could play in washington where you have to traveling on average 2 1/2- 4 hours per away game. And thats EVERY away game. plus at the younger ages a year round schedule is very difficult on the kids. In oregon they double up their weekends which ends the season earlier and allows the coaches to take some extra time off. Also if the u11 teams are worried about development after the oregon league is done in about two months they can schedule as many scrimmages against hte top teams in portland as they want. I think overall there is much deeper talent in washington, so thats why im glad the clubs decide to go to washington at the older ages.

Also one more thing all the younger fcv teams u12 and up arep laying in the pdl. Except for the u13 girls. Just for an FYI this is basically looked at as a mistake by their old doc. most coaches and parents were VERY unhappy that she made the desicion to send their younger teams.

BKnight-
All good points and you are intitled to your opinion.
I've been to all the major OR tournaments this summer and watched a lot of GU11 games and I'll agree with you that the quality of competition is much better in WA. Supports my PDL arguement ...  

I am surprised by your FCV comment? I surely haven't spoken to all GU11 FCV parents but the games I have attended and the parents I have chatted up, as well as the PMs I receive run 100% opposite of what you claim? .... based on that I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you are mistaken or maybe just "embellishing" . Maybe some FCV parents can chime in here ... I'm really not qualified to carry your torch.

I'll wager a bet ..... you'll be singing a different tune next year and we'll see the Timbers in PDL at every age ..... :mrgreen:

Well that makes sense your talking to the u11 parents which are supposed to play in D5 and are NOT aloud to play in oregon. so of course if you had the choice to play either d5 or pdl the option is very clear and easy to make.

We do agree :mrgreen:  

[Black Knight]

Still much better than all your away games being 3-4 hours.

Now that's what I call embellishing!  As far as I know there are no away games in Canada :lol:

From vancouver to seattle is a 3 hour trip. From vancouver to bellingham (im horrible at spelling) is a 4 hour trip. Trust me i have been making it for years.

[soccerpop]

Still much better than all your away games being 3-4 hours.

Now that's what I call embellishing!  As far as I know there are no away games in Canada :lol:

From vancouver to seattle is a 3 hour trip. From vancouver to bellingham (im horrible at spelling) is a 4 hour trip. Trust me i have been making it for years.

I am from the Eastside ( originally ), from Cowtown to North Seattle is 3.5, 4.5 to Bell. This is driving in medium traffic. Typical Seattle traffic, North Seattle, Everett add 1/2 hr.
Since we have established that with OYSA you have 2-3 games an hour away what do you get in the PDL? Are there trips to Bellingham or nearby? Yakima, Spokane, Tri Cities,

I have a few friends from FCV, per them, there were some teams that put up a fight to go PDL. I can see that there are a few playing in Oregon. Sounds like a team preference.

[caesar]

Still much better than all your away games being 3-4 hours.

Now that's what I call embellishing!  As far as I know there are no away games in Canada :lol:

From vancouver to seattle is a 3 hour trip. From vancouver to bellingham (im horrible at spelling) is a 4 hour trip. Trust me i have been making it for years.

I am from the Eastside ( originally ), from Cowtown to North Seattle is 3.5, 4.5 to Bell. This is driving in medium traffic. Typical Seattle traffic, North Seattle, Everett add 1/2 hr.
Since we have established that with OYSA you have 2-3 games an hour away what do you get in the PDL? Are there trips to Bellingham or nearby? Yakima, Spokane, Tri Cities,

I have a few friends from FCV, per them, there were some teams that put up a fight to go PDL. I can see that there are a few playing in Oregon. Sounds like a team preference.

OK OK ..... I call "Uncle" on the the 3-4 hour trips ... yes it takes 4 hours to get from border to border going North - South.
However ......  nope not gonna do it .... Caesar's done with this pissing match

My final comment, however long one is in the car , those who play in the PDL will benefit immensely from the superior level of competition. A level that cannot consistently be found in any OR league. There ... I said it ..... WA is better than OR ....... (sorry eggy :oops: )

[Dragon]

Eggy knows that, he is a Washingtonian

[swsoccafanblue]

The only only comment I'm going to make concerns the Timbers Royal.  Here's a team that played D5 last year at U11 (because of district policy), did well last year, and is doing fantastic this year.  Asking families at U11 to travel 2+ hours for over half of their games is not necessary (unless the team and club, and families want to do that).  You have to consider the burnout factor.  Do you want to drain these kids at 10 and 11, or keep them playing at 14, 15, and 16?  Timbers Royal will be just fine this year playing Oregon- Timbers Navy will be fine this year as well.  Is there upside to playing fantastic competition, yes- Is there fantastic competition in Oregon, yes. I'm with you that overall, Washington may produce some better teams- but Oregon teams are strong as well.

[caesar]

The only only comment I'm going to make concerns the Timbers Royal.  Here's a team that played D5 last year at U11 (because of district policy), did well last year, and is doing fantastic this year.  Asking families at U11 to travel 2+ hours for over half of their games is not necessary (unless the team and club, and families want to do that).  You have to consider the burnout factor.  Do you want to drain these kids at 10 and 11, or keep them playing at 14, 15, and 16?  Timbers Royal will be just fine this year playing Oregon- Timbers Navy will be fine this year as well.  Is there upside to playing fantastic competition, yes- Is there fantastic competition in Oregon, yes. I'm with you that overall, Washington may produce some better teams- but Oregon teams are strong as well.

Blue-
I respectfully disagree. Time will prove one of us right.
In regards to burn-out ... I don't know a kid alive that will burn out lounging in a car watching a DVD or playing nintendo or texting their friends ... I just don't buy the burn out arguement .... I think its a weak attempt to validate your decision to stay local.
What I will buy is that the parents/coaches don't want to. They don't want drive and spend the $ on gas etc.. If that's the case then OK but to say that the kids are gonna burn out ... that's bunk.
As I've stated b4 .... I think you all are making a mistake and We'll see ya in the PDL next year.

[swsoccafanblue]

The only only comment I'm going to make concerns the Timbers Royal.  Here's a team that played D5 last year at U11 (because of district policy), did well last year, and is doing fantastic this year.  Asking families at U11 to travel 2+ hours for over half of their games is not necessary (unless the team and club, and families want to do that).  You have to consider the burnout factor.  Do you want to drain these kids at 10 and 11, or keep them playing at 14, 15, and 16?  Timbers Royal will be just fine this year playing Oregon- Timbers Navy will be fine this year as well.  Is there upside to playing fantastic competition, yes- Is there fantastic competition in Oregon, yes. I'm with you that overall, Washington may produce some better teams- but Oregon teams are strong as well.

Blue-
I respectfully disagree. Time will prove one of us right.
In regards to burn-out ... I don't know a kid alive that will burn out lounging in a car watching a DVD or playing nintendo or texting their friends ... I just don't buy the burn out arguement .... I think its a weak attempt to validate your decision to stay local.
What I will buy is that the parents/coaches don't want to. They don't want drive and spend the $ on gas etc.. If that's the case then OK but to say that the kids are gonna burn out ... that's bunk.
As I've stated b4 .... I think you all are making a mistake and We'll see ya in the PDL next year.

Not my decision     .Although I think it's better for now not to have to trek up North every weekend      Challenge cup was bad enough last January  -  it's not my dd who gets to play, it's the other sibling who doesn't.   I agree though, the 'proof is in the pudding'.  I just don't think it's going to make too much of a difference in the long-haul.  But, I appreciate your perspective and opinion.  I also think you're doing a great job w/ the U11's! I'm reading this and we're a year ahead (although the topic is still applicable).  

[caesar]

The only only comment I'm going to make concerns the Timbers Royal.  Here's a team that played D5 last year at U11 (because of district policy), did well last year, and is doing fantastic this year.  Asking families at U11 to travel 2+ hours for over half of their games is not necessary (unless the team and club, and families want to do that).  You have to consider the burnout factor.  Do you want to drain these kids at 10 and 11, or keep them playing at 14, 15, and 16?  Timbers Royal will be just fine this year playing Oregon- Timbers Navy will be fine this year as well.  Is there upside to playing fantastic competition, yes- Is there fantastic competition in Oregon, yes. I'm with you that overall, Washington may produce some better teams- but Oregon teams are strong as well.

Blue-
I respectfully disagree. Time will prove one of us right.
In regards to burn-out ... I don't know a kid alive that will burn out lounging in a car watching a DVD or playing nintendo or texting their friends ... I just don't buy the burn out arguement .... I think its a weak attempt to validate your decision to stay local.
What I will buy is that the parents/coaches don't want to. They don't want drive and spend the $ on gas etc.. If that's the case then OK but to say that the kids are gonna burn out ... that's bunk.
As I've stated b4 .... I think you all are making a mistake and We'll see ya in the PDL next year.

Not my decision     .Although I think it's better for now not to have to trek up North every weekend      Challenge cup was bad enough last January  -  it's not my dd who gets to play, it's the other sibling who doesn't.   I agree though, the 'proof is in the pudding'.  I just don't think it's going to make too much of a difference in the long-haul.  But, I appreciate your perspective and opinion.  I also think you're doing a great job w/ the U11's! I'm reading this and we're a year ahead (although the topic is still applicable).  

Thanks Blue :mrgreen:
Good luck to the Timbers Royal & Navy this year!

[2bafan]

The club made the decision so as not to burn out kids/families at the younger ages a/ travel and expense. There are lots of good teams and games to be had in Oregon, but at U11 D5 is requiring the teams to stay in district.  I think this can be worked around w/ lots of scrimmages throughout the season- but we'll see come Cup time.

I can respect that decision ..... don't necessarily agree with it ... but respect it nontheless.  Maybe for a Devo team but not an A team.
IMO: The arguement falls a liitle short too when you look at GU12 and your U12s will be traveling all over OR to play (Bend / Roseburg etc). Not sure I see much difference regarding burn-out, expense/travel etc. ? No GU13s in PDL either? (CPSC absent @ G&B U11/U12/U13)
A 14-16 game PDL season with half of the games away and doubleheader weekends is no more - no less than what GU-11 premeier teams do for summer tournament play.

I'm a big proponent of "if you want to run with the big dogs you gotta play with 'em".  Again ... just my opinion ... but by opting outta the PDL for this year I think the Timbers (GU11) will find themselves a step behind the other teams. (especially after looking at the D5 competition - no disrespect) Time will tell as will the Challenge Cup. Don't get me wrong .... I wish the best for the Timber Gals :mrgreen:  ... just think the club made a bad decision for the Reds. :|

I totally agree with you Caesar.  Not to mention the fact, to play in OR it is about $600 more a team, that is an extra Tournament  

Byt he way you rock Caesar.  You are doing an awesome job.

Can't say i totally agree. Yeah you may have to go to bend once or somewhere else, but other than that all your away games are basically in portland. That means your traveling around a half hour for your away games. Or you could play in washington where you have to traveling on average 2 1/2- 4 hours per away game. And thats EVERY away game. plus at the younger ages a year round schedule is very difficult on the kids. In oregon they double up their weekends which ends the season earlier and allows the coaches to take some extra time off. Also if the u11 teams are worried about development after the oregon league is done in about two months they can schedule as many scrimmages against hte top teams in portland as they want. I think overall there is much deeper talent in washington, so thats why im glad the clubs decide to go to washington at the older ages.

Also one more thing all the younger fcv teams u12 and up arep laying in the pdl. Except for the u13 girls. Just for an FYI this is basically looked at as a mistake by their old doc. most coaches and parents were VERY unhappy that she made the desicion to send their younger teams.

BKnight-
All good points and you are intitled to your opinion.
I've been to all the major OR tournaments this summer and watched a lot of GU11 games and I'll agree with you that the quality of competition is much better in WA. Supports my PDL arguement ...  

I am surprised by your FCV comment? I surely haven't spoken to all GU11 FCV parents but the games I have attended and the parents I have chatted up, as well as the PMs I receive run 100% opposite of what you claim? .... based on that I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you are mistaken or maybe just "embellishing" . Maybe some FCV parents can chime in here ... I'm really not qualified to carry your torch.

I'll wager a bet ..... you'll be singing a different tune next year and we'll see the Timbers in PDL at every age ..... :mrgreen:

I'm surprised too as that is not what I have heard from GU11 or GU12 FCV parents and coaches.  In fact, there has been a lot of excitement about playing in the PDL this year and there doesn't seem to be any complaining about traveling to away games it just seems to be accepted as part of what it takes to have the highest competition available for teams that can compete at this level.  This doesn't mean that all parents have embraced the idea but I suspect it would be a small handful of persons versus most.  I have heard Timbers parents say that they would have liked to have the opportunity for their team to play PDL so any complaints seem to go both ways.

[Just4Kids]

I'm surprised too as that is not what I have heard from GU11 or GU12 FCV parents and coaches.  In fact, there has been a lot of excitement about playing in the PDL this year and there doesn't seem to be any complaining about traveling to away games it just seems to be accepted as part of what it takes to have the highest competition available for teams that can compete at this level.  This doesn't mean that all parents have embraced the idea but I suspect it would be a small handful of persons versus most.  I have heard Timbers parents say that they would have liked to have the opportunity for their team to play PDL so any complaints seem to go both ways.

From talking to various parents at different age groups, they much rather be playing the Crossfire's, Eastsides, WPFC, etc.  I think one of the historical issues that the SW WA has had is when it came time to state cup, we did not know the teams makeup we were playing.  We may have seen them in a tournament in July when they had 3 guest players, but we never saw the team that will be on the pitch in January.  That means making adjustments during the match when you are down 1-0 or 2-0 to try and come back to salvage a win.  Coaches will have had a chance to play these teams in Sept, Oct, and Nov and know who to mark or where a soft spot might be.  I think the PDL will give FCV that chance to even the playing field a bit.  

Added note.  The word "Premiere" does equate to additional time, costs, and commitment.  Not to say WA teams that play OR do not have that, but when there is an option to play better talent, teams owe it to the kids who are putting in the time all year long to play the best competition out there.  Anyway you look at it WA's top 8 teams are far better than OR's top 8.  OR may have 1 or 2 strong teams, but not 8 deep.  Why do you think historically WA teams win the P1 fall league?