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[4gotSocks]

I just saw the announcement for the PDL Player Pass on d4soccer.org.  Anyone have any thoughts?

[Black Knight]

I just saw the announcement for the PDL Player Pass on d4soccer.org.  Anyone have any thoughts?

It has the potential to be a great thing. It will help promote squad systems along with more movement between teams for those players that deserve it. Of course there is the potential for abusing it, but i hope people use it for what it's meant for.

[Squash]

I just saw the announcement for the PDL Player Pass on d4soccer.org.  Anyone have any thoughts?

There are lots of posts on this topic already. It was actually posted here before the state posted it and district iv. Look in the general soccer forum, and you'll see lots of talk on this topic. :mrgreen:

Since WPS-Soccer is the Pulse... Doug the WSYSA president was kind enough to send it to us at about 12:00 am before it went live everywhere else

http://www.washingtonpremiersoccer.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=6225

[Squash]

I would like to say welcome back...it's been awhile since you've been on and posted. I have a feeling in a few weeks when teams start using it more, all of us will have a lot more to say on the topic.

I think in general it's a good thing :mrgreen:

[D1 informant]

I just saw the announcement for the PDL Player Pass on d4soccer.org.  Anyone have any thoughts?

There are lots of posts on this topic already. It was actually posted here before the state posted it and district iv. Look in the general soccer forum, and you'll see lots of talk on this topic. :mrgreen:

Since WPS-Soccer is the Pulse... Doug the WSYSA president was kind enough to send it to us at about 12:00 am before it went live everywhere else

http://www.washingtonpremiersoccer.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?


t=6225

Since you are good friends with Doug, maybe you could explain how this benifits all the kids that play soccer outside the PDL. I guess the "other" kids outside the PDL are not good enough to get this type of benifit. I have been watching from the outside for a long time now, and have a hard time standing by as the DOC of all the big clubs push around the State and other clubs. Not a big fan of bullies. The right way would be to ask other clubs to help in there  fight to develop player, not tie there hands.

[Squash]

I just saw the announcement for the PDL Player Pass on d4soccer.org.  Anyone have any thoughts?

There are lots of posts on this topic already. It was actually posted here before the state posted it and district iv. Look in the general soccer forum, and you'll see lots of talk on this topic. :mrgreen:

Since WPS-Soccer is the Pulse... Doug the WSYSA president was kind enough to send it to us at about 12:00 am before it went live everywhere else

http://www.washingtonpremiersoccer.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?


t=6225

Since you are good friends with Doug, maybe you could explain how this benifits all the kids that play soccer outside the PDL. I guess the "other" kids outside the PDL are not good enough to get this type of benifit. I have been watching from the outside for a long time now, and have a hard time standing by as the DOC of all the big clubs push around the State and other clubs. Not a big fan of bullies. The right way would be to ask other clubs to help in there  fight to develop player, not tie there hands.

I think the answer is simple. The state says the PDL is the pilot program for the player pass. If successful, I think you may see it used in other areas and leagues. Then again maybe not.

Before the PDL was even around, the club player pass was talk about. I can remember it being tossed around about 2 years ago or more. Back then the state wouldn't go for it.

So yeah ...the PDL probably did bully them into it, but it may benefit all players in the future. Only time will tell. Otherwise we'd still be sitting and spinning our wheels. You know the state did a lot of that in the past.

Glad to see you posting again D1 informant

[soccerfandude]

In the interrum then,    What are the player pass guidelines for NON PDL teams.    Id like to see that in writing as well,   or will they change depending on what NON PDL team/ club you are on :?   Test pilot or not Id like the rules to apply to all equally not be made up as they go along or be different from one club/team to another.   After shouldnt we all want what is best for ALL players not just PDL players .   As well as all players being created equal :!:

[Squash]

In the interrum then,    What are the player pass guidelines for NON PDL teams.    Id like to see that in writing as well,   or will they change depending on what NON PDL team you are on :?   Test pilot or not Id like the rules to apply to all equally not be made up as they go along or be different from one club/team to another.

There is no player pass for non-pdl teams

I guess once that is set in place for non-pdl teams we'll know. Sorry I can't really answer a subject that may or may not ever happen for all WSYSA teams.

i actually have a feeling the rules may change in the future for the PDL teams. I have already heard some complaints as to how it's being used by some teams now.

I think the growing pains will be lessons as well.

I for one think the fact players can play for different teams on a given weekend is a "joke"  This is my personal opinion of course, but to me if a kid is moved up or down for the weekend, they should only play on one team...not play half on the A and a whole game on the B.

To me that seems really iffy, and is going to lead to some bad feelings among clubs and from parents within clubs. Especially if they are stacking teams for the benefit of winning games and sitting kids truly on the team. :|

[D1 informant]

Didn't mean to stoke an old fire, just got me worked up after seeing the state tuck tail and run.

[Black Knight]

In the interrum then,    What are the player pass guidelines for NON PDL teams.    Id like to see that in writing as well,   or will they change depending on what NON PDL team you are on :?   Test pilot or not Id like the rules to apply to all equally not be made up as they go along or be different from one club/team to another.

There is no player pass for non-pdl teams

I guess once that is set in place for non-pdl teams we'll know. Sorry I can't really answer a subject that may or may not ever happen for all WSYSA teams.

i actually have a feeling the rules may change in the future for the PDL teams. I have already heard some complaints as to how it's being used by some teams now.

I think the growing pains will be lessons as well.

I for one think the fact players can play for different teams on a given weekend is a "joke"  This is my personal opinion of course, but to me if a kid is moved up or down for the weekend, they should only play on one team...not play half on the A and a whole game on the B.

To me that seems really iffy, and is going to lead to some bad feelings among clubs and from parents within clubs. Especially if they are stacking teams for the benefit of winning games and sitting kids truly on the team. :|

you have a good point there squash. Whats to keep an A team from sending a top player down for 1 half with the B team and making a big difference just to help them suceed. How bout this for a solution. Lets say each league has a total of 15 games (im just picking a number) Well each player is allowed 15 games a season. No more of this 3 halfs a weekend thing, instead now they are only allowed in as many games as their team is scheduled. Then if htey want to play a game for the B team they would have to sacrifice a game with the A team. I think this would really detour teams from shifting players just to help a team win, instead this would make clubs want to only move a player if they truly deserve it and if it is actually the best thing for the club/team/player.

[D1 informant]

You really should not have to worry about this if your PDL coach is about development, right??  Squash has head about problems already? Not tring to bash PDL, but you are going to have problems with coaches in and out of the PDL.  Some want to win and others want to develop.

[Gumby]

Its about the PLAYERS people!!!

The state has for too long listened to the "Its not fair to my team" people.  Youth soccer is not about the team, parents are about the team.  Youth soccer is about the players... end of story!!!  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:

Yes, which team won State is fun to talk about, and I will get as exited as anyone else for a team I like does well, but the goal here is to develop PLAYERS!  

Now, I don't really know if this is the right path (being a parent I too like the team vs. team thing), but at least give it a try.  PDL is as good a place as any, especially since they are the clubs that have the A-B-C clubs to do it with.  If it looks good... expand.  

[D1 informant]

Which players??? PDL or non-PDL ?? If it where about the players , then we would let all players benifit from all to the rules. Not just one set aside for certain clubs. RIGHT!!! :?

[Gumby]

For now just PDL.  People have tried to push player passes through before only to be shut down.  Now there is a group with enough power to try what they wish, but there is still PLENTY of reservations from the state.  Those reservations may still prove to be well founded.

Just because the PDL is doing it doesn't mean it is the best way to go.  Player passes may prove to be a big failure.  The state is playing conservative letting PDL stick out their neck.  This WSYSA/PDL relationship is proving to be more symbiotic all the time.  

[ShelbyJ]

Its about the PLAYERS people!!!

The state has for too long listened to the "Its not fair to my team" people.  Youth soccer is not about the team, parents are about the team.  Youth soccer is about the players... end of story!!!  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:

Yes, which team won State is fun to talk about, and I will get as exited as anyone else for a team I like does well, but the goal here is to develop PLAYERS!  

Now, I don't really know if this is the right path (being a parent I too like the team vs. team thing), but at least give it a try.  PDL is as good a place as any, especially since they are the clubs that have the A-B-C clubs to do it with.  If it looks good... expand.  

I agree that soccer is about the players, but BK and Squash raise valid points that can also hurt players.

I will use an example that I saw this weekend as a ref (no naming the team or age, okay).  There was a B team that used some A team players to win what was going to be one of their toughest games of the season. Okay, they won.  Now . . . let's say that next years PDL is partially based on your win/loss this year . . . well, did that B team really win that game?  Done carefully, using such a pass can skew the results. That is not necessarily good player development either.

I sincerely hope and choose to believe that in general coaches will play their own teams and borrow only for injuries. In general, in feels more ethical to move B players up to A teams than the other way around. I know that this is sort of sore point with me, so I admit I am biased (B teams heavily borrowing A team players). I have heard people say that just a couple of players makes no difference, but that has not been my experience. Two strong players can change an entire game.

D1 Informant, I hear your complaint!  As Squash said, this idea has been around since my oldest one (now in college) was playing soccer. I guess they could have chosen any given district instead of PDL, but it needed to be a limited number for a pilot program.