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[sacdad]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/highschoolsports/2004005251_.html

Bummer............gotta be pretty hard on the players.  This school has been through a lot this year and not just in football.  I can't help feeling sorry for the boys....but then I get frustrated about such a trivial oversight being sanctioned this way.......Oh well, a rule is a rule is a rule eh.  Clearly a way to reinforce to our children that being honest is the best policy.

[Play to Feet]

"Clearly a way to reinforce to our children that being honest is the best policy."

Disagree, strongly.  What the WIAA's decision does is demonstrate that no matter how small or how trivial the mistake, it will impose the heaviest sanction possible.  The lesson that is taught by such a response is two-fold.  One, life is extremely unfair, and two, certain people lack judgment and should not be given positions of authority.  Here is what the press release from the WIAA should have said:  "ATM's athletic administration reported a mistake.  We have a myriad of options at our disposal with respect to the imposition of the penalty imposed, if any.  After considering the facts and circumstances involved, including but not limited to the death of the team's football coach/athletic director, and also taking into account that the school immediately reported the mistake upon its discovery, we have decided to impose the following punishment (e.g. probation for one year).  Had ATM not immediately reported the mistake, we likely would have imposed a far more serious punishment, as we did previously when the Chief Sealth girls' basketball team coaches lied, created fraudulent documents, and obfuscated the truth."

[sacdad]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/highschoolsports/2004005713_murphy100.html

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20071110/SPORTS/711100072

A little more detail in these....but I hear it's been all over the radio now and most have their papers so this thread is prolly a moot point.

[cheese]

There must have been something else hidden in the agenda......how to topple the best team?  Sometimes the only way to beat a team is crap like this.

They should not have been forced to forfeit those games.  Just suspend the player until the physical can be taken again......which it has now.

It should have been caught at the beginning of the season but because it wasn't the team shouldn't be deprived of what it has accomplished nor be deprived of a possible state championship

[soccer4life]

this might not be a popular stance but. . . .

i think we as a society have gotten to a point that there are no more "mistakes" any more.  we are not allowed to be human and make mistakes. . .all this zero tollerance for this. . .or that. . .and you hear about werid stories about good people being ruined for something.  (I am not talking about life threating situations either. . .)

this school made a mistake, an oversite, during a very emotional time for them and their school.  to negate the entire season and make the school and those boys pull out of the state tourney is ridiculous, ESPECIALLY when the school stepped up and admitted their mistake.

Play to feet, i think you have it correct on what WAII could have done. . .not to say that teams do not have to follow the rules but this is a physical form, not grades, not drinking, not drug violation.  For goodness sakes, where is the logic and compassion now a days!

[soccerdaddio]

Wiaa  board and Colbrese the Executive Director  showed no compassion in this matter!!

I personally know that some of the parents confronted him on this issue.   The question they raised to him was why schedule a hearing when they knew that they had no intention of reversing the ruling?   They could not come up with a good answer only to cover themselves in light of any legal issues that could possibly come up!    This will come up and bite them someday!!!!!  

Intersting point as well that a lot of other coaches did not speak on this matter!   The gag rule in effect.   The school did what was right in their eyes.  A painful lesson for the boys to go through.  Ah  the politics of the WIAA

[yote19]

No what is interesting is how fast they ruled in the case against Arch Bishop Murphy vs. how long the case against Chief Sealth dragged out.

[cheese]

Some of the boys got to talk to WIAA about this.

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20071114/SPORTS01/711140076/1004/SPORTS

The state has a protocal to follow, the boys look like they are trying to get it changed.

So far I see nothing but a class act from Murphy.
Kudos to them.  :mrgreen:

[yote19]

The boys had a meeting with Colbrese but nothing on their status changed.  What they are involved with now is what will happen to teams if this happens to them in the future.  I feel for all of kids who dedicated their year to the last one played in football.

[IslanderCoach]

Sorry, but earlier this year in the same conference when Coupeville found that a player had played, but should have been academically ineligible (oversight during screening)...they self-reported, the WIAA ruled similarly and turned the teams victories in forfeits.  The WIAA has been hard on teams at the top and the bottom...no difference and that's not a bad way to do business.  Unfortunate for some, but then again the problem was the oversight in the first place.