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[Gaucho]

I've read so much talk about how messy the brackets are due to pdl and state leagues being seperate. Here's an idea! Since the PDL wanted to leave the state run leagues and form their own, why not let them run their own PDL championship tourney...and exclude them from the state championship.

Then the winner of their PDL cup could play the winner of the state chamionship.

Then there would be no squabbling amongst anyone.

 would love to see that! :mrgreen:

[Gaucho]

Ever hear of Joe Willie?

[Brat Jr]

I've read so much talk about how messy the brackets are due to pdl and state leagues being seperate. Here's an idea! Since the PDL wanted to leave the state run leagues and form their own, why not let them run their own PDL championship tourney...and exclude them from the state championship.

Then the winner of their PDL cup could play the winner of the state chamionship.

Then there would be no squabbling amongst anyone.

 would love to see that! :mrgreen:

because by excluding the PDL teams, you would lose some of the non pdl teams that go to this type of tourney to 'play the best'.
You take out Crossfire and Eastside and WPFC teams et al, you may as well have a silver tourney in the summer

[Black Knight]

I've read so much talk about how messy the brackets are due to pdl and state leagues being seperate. Here's an idea! Since the PDL wanted to leave the state run leagues and form their own, why not let them run their own PDL championship tourney...and exclude them from the state championship.

Then the winner of their PDL cup could play the winner of the state chamionship.

Then there would be no squabbling amongst anyone.

 would love to see that! :mrgreen:

because by excluding the PDL teams, you would lose some of the non pdl teams that go to this type of tourney to 'play the best'.
You take out Crossfire and Eastside and WPFC teams et al, you may as well have a silver tourney in the summer

Not just that but realistically the state tournament is just an open tournament just like a summer one. Its no different except for the size of it. Anyone is allowed to do it. Just like teams from vancouver that play in oregon all league, and teams that play district level.Think of the tournament just like the boise regional, anyone who enters is allowed to play.

[Gaucho]

I think you misinterpreted my suggestion. The suggestion is meant for all the people who are disenchanted with the current seeding and bracketing. I don't understand your point about Crossfire, WPFC and Eastside. They would all compete in the year end PDL tourney..Winner plays the winner of the State League......i.e. NFC vs AFC......and to discount the non PDL teams is presumptious......"That is why we play the game."

[Brat Jr]

I think you misinterpreted my suggestion. The suggestion is meant for all the people who are disenchanted with the current seeding and bracketing. I don't understand your point about Crossfire, WPFC and Eastside. They would all compete in the year end PDL tourney..Winner plays the winner of the State League......i.e. NFC vs AFC......and to discount the non PDL teams is presumptious......"That is why we play the game."

Ok   what if WSYSA gets a profit off of the games played? Think they would want to split up the PDL and Non PDL teams? No...... more teams = more $

[93soccerdad]

I think you misinterpreted my suggestion. The suggestion is meant for all the people who are disenchanted with the current seeding and bracketing. I don't understand your point about Crossfire, WPFC and Eastside. They would all compete in the year end PDL tourney..Winner plays the winner of the State League......i.e. NFC vs AFC......and to discount the non PDL teams is presumptious......"That is why we play the game."

I like your suggestion, Gaucho!!  At least it is creative...and not whiney!

But as Brat points out...money will always win out... :shock:

[PrideNJoy]

last couple of posts dong sound like Brat

[gauchosoccer]

I've read so much talk about how messy the brackets are due to pdl and state leagues being seperate. Here's an idea! Since the PDL wanted to leave the state run leagues and form their own, why not let them run their own PDL championship tourney...and exclude them from the state championship.

Then the winner of their PDL cup could play the winner of the state chamionship.

Then there would be no squabbling amongst anyone.

 would love to see that! :mrgreen:

The opinions expressed within are those of Gaucho, and NOT gauchosoccer :lol:

I knew I should have copyrighted the use of gaucho on this site :mrgreen:

[Brat Jr]

I think you misinterpreted my suggestion. The suggestion is meant for all the people who are disenchanted with the current seeding and bracketing. I don't understand your point about Crossfire, WPFC and Eastside. They would all compete in the year end PDL tourney..Winner plays the winner of the State League......i.e. NFC vs AFC......and to discount the non PDL teams is presumptious......"That is why we play the game."

Since there are quite a few non pdl teams that would give them ( the PDL teams) a run for their $, I would never discount them. Besidses that, I'm for the underdogs :mrgreen:

What I was meaning was because this is "State Cup" that those that are non pdl would want to play them ALL tourney not just the Finals of a pdl vs State tourney.
 PDL is not ALL THAT and non pdl CAN compete with them on any given day. It just depends on which team brings it on game day.

[Son of Spam]

I've read so much talk about how messy the brackets are due to pdl and state leagues being seperate. Here's an idea! Since the PDL wanted to leave the state run leagues and form their own, why not let them run their own PDL championship tourney...and exclude them from the state championship.

Then the winner of their PDL cup could play the winner of the state chamionship.

Then there would be no squabbling amongst anyone.

 would love to see that! :mrgreen:

One more step towards segregation...interesting idea :roll:

[swedish]

Since there are quite a few non pdl teams that would give them ( the PDL teams) a run for their $, I would never discount them. Besidses that, I'm for the underdogs :mrgreen:



...funny that you would consider a non-PDL team as an 'underdog'...

[meluvsoccer]

I really doubt that any Non-PDL team will win the Championship Cup State Cup (or Challenge Cup at U11).

I am not a fan or opponent of the PDL.  There is good and bad there, but if you look at the teams in the PDL, there is just too much to really stake a claim on any other league.

Yes, there are non-PDL teams which can give PDL teams a run for their money, but when it comes to the best of the best, they are the teams in the PDL (though everyone talks about one of the Crush teams - that might be the exception).

There might be more non-PDL winners in the Challenge or Commissioners Cup (actually I don't think and PDL team is in Commissioners).  

If any non-PDL team wins the 'big one'
as Mr Grimwig would say:
"I'll eat my hat"

[Brat Jr]

Since there are quite a few non pdl teams that would give them ( the PDL teams) a run for their $, I would never discount them. Besidses that, I'm for the underdogs :mrgreen:



...funny that you would consider a non-PDL team as an 'underdog'...

Its not that I consider them  ( non pdl teams) the UD's, I'm just for ALL underdogs

[93soccerdad]

Since there are quite a few non pdl teams that would give them ( the PDL teams) a run for their $, I would never discount them. Besidses that, I'm for the underdogs :mrgreen:



...funny that you would consider a non-PDL team as an 'underdog'...

Its not that I consider them  ( non pdl teams) the UD's, I'm just for ALL underdogs

There's no need to fear!!!  Underdog is here!!!  Okay...I admit it, i am old!

[Brat Jr]

last couple of posts dont sound like Brat

 

[IslanderCoach]

The PDL is not creating Champions...they are the same clubs by and large that were winning the championships (mostly) before they were "PDL".  Now they are just exclusively playing themselves. :roll:

[Liverpoolfan]

Keep the PDL in the State, just need to tweak the method by which the state seeds teams now that 50% of the pool is out of the State league.

As Islander points out, there is nothing different here other than a new league was formed.

[PrideNJoy]

Keep the PDL in the State, just need to tweak the method by which the state seeds teams now that 50% of the pool is out of the State league.

As Islander points out, there is nothing different here other than a new league was formed.

well, if all leagues don't play eachother in some pre cup event how do you seed properly?  post season lpt style pre tournament tourmanent............blechh.  it'll work out, always does (I think, hoping.....well, maybe not always )

[On-the-road-again]

Keep the PDL in the State, just need to tweak the method by which the state seeds teams now that 50% of the pool is out of the State league.

As Islander points out, there is nothing different here other than a new league was formed.

Not sure I agree with tweeking the method, the State rules were pretty clear when the PDL was formed.  I truly believe, the PDL should work along side of the state to create what they feel is the best player development for all of the children in WA across the board, not just a select few.

Does it suck that the top 93 teams weren't seeded...yes, but they knew what would happen when decided not to go to LPTs this year.     Or, maybe they didn't.  :oops:

[PrideNJoy]

Keep the PDL in the State, just need to tweak the method by which the state seeds teams now that 50% of the pool is out of the State league.

As Islander points out, there is nothing different here other than a new league was formed.

Not sure I agree with tweeking the method, the State rules were pretty clear when the PDL was formed.  I truly believe, the PDL should work along side of the state to create what they feel is the best player development for all of the children in WA across the board, not just a select few.

Does it suck that the top 93 teams weren't seeded...yes, but they knew what would happen when decided not to go to LPTs this year.     Or, maybe they didn't.  :oops:

or maybe they knew (were notified) and just didn't beleive they could change all that by cup time?

[famj]

Assuming one wants to tweak, two ways to tweak.  Seed top 8 PDL teams as well as top 8 state teams, but seed PDL teams in such a way that PDL2 meets state 1 in semis, and state 2 meets PDL 2 in semis.  It would look like this:  Group A:  State 1, PDL 8;  Group B:  State 8, PDL 7;  Group C:  state 4, PDL 3;  Group D:  state 5, PDL 2;  Group E:  state 2, PDL 6;  Group F:  state 7, PDL 5;  Group G:  state 3, PDL 4;  Group H:  state 6, PDL 1.  Second option is like a World Cup draw.  place state 1 in group A and state 2 in group E, place all other P1 teams in separate groups via a draw;  place PDL 2 in group D and PDL 1 in group H and place other top PDL teams via random draw in other groups.  In the current system, state's top teams could get randomly placed into a group with top PDL teams which I'm not sure would be a reward for having won the state league.  In tweak 1 above, the state numbers 1 and 2 would be rewarded for having done so well in league in more ways than simply being seeded in opposite halves of the bracket.
famj

[meluvsoccer]

I don't think you should tweak it at all.
It is run by the State. They should be able to seed teams from the State league first.

The PDL knew this going in.  It is their problem that some may have to play others which causes teams which would have made quarters semis etc. not even get out of bracket.

Oh well.

[On-the-road-again]

I don't think you should tweak it at all.
It is run by the State. They should be able to seed teams from the State league first.

The PDL knew this going in.  It is their problem that some may have to play others which causes teams which would have made quarters semis etc. not even get out of bracket.

Oh well.

Gotta agree, although its unfortunate.  In all fairness to those teams (players, coaches, parents etc.) that went through the process of proving theirselves at the state's LPTs, they should be the only one's seeded IMO.

[Pops]

I don't think you should tweak it at all.
It is run by the State. They should be able to seed teams from the State league first.

The PDL knew this going in.  It is their problem that some may have to play others which causes teams which would have made quarters semis etc. not even get out of bracket.

Oh well.

Gotta agree, although its unfortunate.  In all fairness to those teams (players, coaches, parents etc.) that went through the process of proving theirselves at the state's LPTs, they should be the only one's seeded IMO.

It would be great if the PDL decisions only affected the PDL teams - but since they aren't seeded, you can end up with a top WSPL seed in a bracket with 1-2 PDL 1-A teams. PDL never should have extended past U13, maybe even U12...

[loyal fan]

In my opinion there has been too much whining about the way teams have been placed into brackets.  Unfortunately some teams that may have made it farther in previous years will not make it as far this year, but the truth is, if your team really is THE BEST they will beat whatever teams they have to play to take the title anyway.  If your team deserves to be the state champs or even the runner up, they will make it out of their bracket.  

I doubt my DD's team will make it as far as they have in the past, but they will just need to play the best that they can and hope to make it out of their bracket.

[Liverpoolfan]

I agree that the PDL new it going into the season they would not be seeded and I do not even think the PDL really cared.  

I'm thinking the tweaking of it would be pushed by the tournament to try and get the best overall tournament matchups in the elimination rounds vs in the round robin rounds.  I like the idea of seeding the two separate and then flipping them on the match up.  Brilliant!  That would be great soccer!

[On-the-road-again]

It would be great if the PDL decisions only affected the PDL teams - but since they aren't seeded, you can end up with a top WSPL seed in a bracket with 1-2 PDL 1-A teams. PDL never should have extended past U13, maybe even U12...

Sound like there's no easy road for anyone in 93...proving yourself really comes into play during this State Cup.

You're right, it never should have been extended past U13 (they're not seeded).  But they definately should have sent their U14s to LPTs...IMO.  We wouldn't be having this conversation now if they would have gone.  Maybe the PDL teams would have played the same teams they played in league anyway (like playing like), maybe they wouldn't...but we'll never know.

[PrideNJoy]

In my opinion there has been too much whining about the way teams have been placed into brackets.  Unfortunately some teams that may have made it farther in previous years will not make it as far this year, but the truth is, if your team really is THE BEST they will beat whatever teams they have to play to take the title anyway.  If your team deserves to be the state champs or even the runner up, they will make it out of their bracket.  

I doubt my DD's team will make it as far as they have in the past, but they will just need to play the best that they can and hope to make it out of their bracket.

let me be the first to whine about you saying there's too much whining.

[On-the-road-again]

if your team really is THE BEST they will beat whatever teams they have to play to take the title anyway.

And that my friend...is the bottom line!!!

So it is written...so it is done.    

I had to throw that in... :lol: