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[golazo]

After reading of all the travel issues during this year's cup games, and hearing of changes to next year's cup schedule I have to make the following rant (you've been forewarned).

The current schedule works fairly well for my family now.  Changing to an April & May cup schedule next year is only going to interfere with other activities that my family already enjoys participating in.  I love watching both my DSs play nearly year round soccer, but I also like to see them participate in other sports/activities that traditionally take place during spring & early summer (heaven forbid that they like baseball too).  I thought we were going to be excommunicated from their soccer club last summer when both of them made baseball all-stars.

At 11 and 13, I don't think they should be limited to choosing only 1 sport per year.  Am I wrong?  I guess they'll have to start playing basketball rather than baseball, as that may start to fit better when January and February become more void of soccer.

Why not keep the current state cup schedule and change the format of the preliminary games to a more regionally based competition like some others have suggested on other threads, thereby cutting down on some of this winter travel, etc.

I know that the wys soccer world doesn't revolve around my schedule, and my family will have to make a choice, but we seem to be getting painted into a corner and I suspect others may feel the same way.

[breakaway]

Just be glad you don't have 4 kids playing.  Then you would need a clone.

[PrideNJoy]

Just be glad you don't have 4 kids playing.  Then you would need a clone.

or a time machine

[Gumby]

i have a hard enough time looking one WEEK ahead, much less a YEAR.  :oops:

[kennard04]

After reading of all the travel issues during this year's cup games, and hearing of changes to next year's cup schedule I have to make the following rant (you've been forewarned).

The current schedule works fairly well for my family now.  Changing to an April & May cup schedule next year is only going to interfere with other activities that my family already enjoys participating in.  I love watching both my DSs play nearly year round soccer, but I also like to see them participate in other sports/activities that traditionally take place during spring & early summer (heaven forbid that they like baseball too).  I thought we were going to be excommunicated from their soccer club last summer when both of them made baseball all-stars.

At 11 and 13, I don't think they should be limited to choosing only 1 sport per year.  Am I wrong?  I guess they'll have to start playing basketball rather than baseball, as that may start to fit better when January and February become more void of soccer.

Why not keep the current state cup schedule and change the format of the preliminary games to a more regionally based competition like some others have suggested on other threads, thereby cutting down on some of this winter travel, etc.

I know that the wys soccer world doesn't revolve around my schedule, and my family will have to make a choice, but we seem to be getting painted into a corner and I suspect others may feel the same way.

the older ages were changed so the girls wouldn't have to choose between high school and club soccer. Or try to do both with 6 practices a week and 3 games.

[hb96mom]

Remember when kids could play basketball, softball, track, volleyball and more? When the only conflict was soccer or football and usually the kicker of the football team played soccer?
I am with you golazo, my dd made softball all-stars last year too. She missed her first four basketball games for state cup soccer this year and she quit the school swim team to play soccer. We love soccer and think it is the best, but she is 11 and too young to choose- she did choose soccer over swimming. If she really wanted she could play rec soccer and then other sports it is an option. We do select over premier and who knows what the future holds. Thank god I only have one to transport.

[breakaway]

After reading of all the travel issues during this year's cup games, and hearing of changes to next year's cup schedule I have to make the following rant (you've been forewarned).

The current schedule works fairly well for my family now.  Changing to an April & May cup schedule next year is only going to interfere with other activities that my family already enjoys participating in.  I love watching both my DSs play nearly year round soccer, but I also like to see them participate in other sports/activities that traditionally take place during spring & early summer (heaven forbid that they like baseball too).  I thought we were going to be excommunicated from their soccer club last summer when both of them made baseball all-stars.

At 11 and 13, I don't think they should be limited to choosing only 1 sport per year.  Am I wrong?  I guess they'll have to start playing basketball rather than baseball, as that may start to fit better when January and February become more void of soccer.

Why not keep the current state cup schedule and change the format of the preliminary games to a more regionally based competition like some others have suggested on other threads, thereby cutting down on some of this winter travel, etc.

I know that the wys soccer world doesn't revolve around my schedule, and my family will have to make a choice, but we seem to be getting painted into a corner and I suspect others may feel the same way.

the older ages were changed so the girls wouldn't have to choose between high school and club soccer. Or try to do both with 6 practices a week and 3 games.

This doesn't affect his children they are only 11 & 13

[yote19]

Kennard, I would have to respectfully disagree with your number of practices and games played when the season was going full bore.

Monday: high school practice
Tuesday: high school game
Wednesday: high school practice (maybe club team get together-social event)
Thursday: high school practice
Friday: high school game
Saturday: Light Club practice for some teams.
Sunday: Club game

Now it is even more crazy with other sports and soccer trying to fit it in to the same schedule.  Unless your daughter is ONLY playing soccer this may work.  Unfortunately, as a team that has gone through this--we still have the same number of injuries because of other sports and activities as we did previously.  Plus it is freaking cold every night during training.

[93soccerdad]

Kennard, I would have to respectfully disagree with your number of practices and games played when the season was going full bore.

Monday: high school practice
Tuesday: high school game
Wednesday: high school practice (maybe club team get together-social event)
Thursday: high school practice
Friday: high school game
Saturday: Light Club practice for some teams.
Sunday: Club game

Now it is even more crazy with other sports and soccer trying to fit it in to the same schedule.  Unless your daughter is ONLY playing soccer this may work.  Unfortunately, as a team that has gone through this--we still have the same number of injuries because of other sports and activities as we did previously.  Plus it is freaking cold every night during training.

Yote:  We had one girl on our GU-14 team who played high school as well as club this year.  Her schedule looked like this:

Monday: High School Practice/Club Practice
Tuesday:  High School Game
Wednesday:  High School Practice/Club practice
Thursday:  High School game
Friday:  High School practice
Saturday:  Club game
Sunday: Day off (usually)

She would be late to most of our club practices and/or miss some altogether.  Our coach changed it to make club games mandatory...but not practices/scrimmages.  Helped her keep from burning out...

[yote19]

But let me say that one girl is different than the entire team.  If the entire team is playing club and high school, it is ludicrous to have them go from high school practice to club practice.  That is just my opinion and I know of a few who practice that way during club, but most club coaches understand that they are getting there touches during high schol training and the short times that they can get together are spent on set plays and low impact training sessions.

[ShelbyJ]

Just be glad you don't have 4 kids playing.  Then you would need a clone.

 :oops: I have 5 kids, and I will be the first to tell you that is has become harder and harder to meet the expectations of premier level sports! Not all 5 are in premier sports right now--one is done, but I still have 4 to run around.  But when my oldest was starting, there was A LOT more flexibility from coaches about what constituted comittment (at the younger ages--not so much when they are older). If he was a little late because I had to run another child to practice, he did not get penalized for it. That is not my situation now. I had a child injured last season, and her coach told her that she needed to be at every practice if she wanted a spot when she came back. I hauled her out there, cast, crutches and all to sit and watch her team practice for 12 weeks. STUPID!!! Anyhow, by having a large family, we know we made life choices that would limit some of our activities, but it between the money and the time comittment at younger ages, we are having serious second thoughts about continuing premier level soccer for the younger two.

[Soccertaxi]

I have four daughters that play and/or coach some level of soccer.  My oldest didn't make soccer her full time sport until she was u-13 (when she gave up softball and basketball).  The high school years took their toll and after a long term back injury she decided it was time to "retire".  She loves coaching though  

My second player never played another sport and though she plays at the highest level now, has told me that she has no plans to tryout next year (she currently plays u13)  She wants to learn to play some other sports and take "a year off".  In hind sight, I wish that I had encouraged her to play rec. basketball, middle school volleyball, etc. and just balance it out for the short duration of these seasons.  

My youngest player eats, sleeps and drinks soccer.  She played on a dev. team last year and can't wait for her u11 practices to start back up (funny, her u13 sister used to be the same way??)   I've told her that we need to learn from her sister experiences and find opportunities to be more than just a soccer player but to instead be an athlete.  She seems to understand and after much grumbling she is going to play rec. basketball and take some tennis lessons this summer.

My daughter who plays special olympics sports seems to have the best of all worlds.  She can bowl, swim and dribble to her hearts content and no one questions her committment.
There is something to be said for the simpler things in life.  

These problems would exist regardless of when state cup is played or how bad the roads are between Yakima and Bellevue.  If kids, coaches and parents can't find a way to juggle multiple sports (maybe not all at a select or premier level) then ultimate the athlete is the one that suffers.

[vusa92blue]

Remember when kids could play basketball, softball, track, volleyball and more? When the only conflict was soccer or football and usually the kicker of the football team played soccer?

Yes, and they were not playing on a Basketball club travel team, or a Softball club travel team, or a Volleyball club travel team, while running track for the Middle School or playing club soccer on a club travel team or CCYF as well.

They can still do all of these things.  In soccer it is called recreational soccer.  Nothing wrong with that, except all of the CPs think their kids have to be on a selected team.

Once in a while, you might trying telling your DD or your DS, "No".

[Refdad]

These problems would exist regardless of when state cup is played or how bad the roads are between Yakima and Bellevue.  If kids, coaches and parents can't find a way to juggle multiple sports (maybe not all at a select or premier level) then ultimate the athlete is the one that suffers.

Hear, hear!!!

[sosoccer]

I just heard that the calendar on the WYS website maybe isn't the one we will be on next year.  Something about it possibly needing a vote....but why put it up then?  They are just confusing those of us that are trying to plan our lives.

[Rock27]

I to finally have 1 left.  But after 3 years of premier and what appears to be no hope of being recognized for an A team, it makes you wonder about everything.

But...7th grade - other sports are opening up finally. (Gave baseball up 2 years ago) My DS has signed up for rec lacrosse which runs Feb-June, Jr high track will be in spring.  We will work it in and we will keep playing premier soccer for a big club and will probably be on the lower team BUT>>> what great conditoning, skils, agility, speed, plus fabulous coaching everything he's received has been worth it.  He's now a well-rounded athlete.  So if soccer for an A team isn't in the cards (although it's their mistake), then it at least is preparing him for his other choices over the next few years.  And the good friends he has made won't go away either.

[EWSoccer64]

Kennard, I would have to respectfully disagree with your number of practices and games played when the season was going full bore.

Monday: high school practice
Tuesday: high school game
Wednesday: high school practice (maybe club team get together-social event)
Thursday: high school practice
Friday: high school game
Saturday: Light Club practice for some teams.
Sunday: Club game

In Eastern Washington it is even harder because every Saturday during HS season, is a HS game.  (Travel distances and time out of class issues).  Historically, the Girls Premier teams on our side of the mountains do not ever practice together during the fall premier season.

In the Tri-Cities, you have 6 or more High Schools that may contribute players to any one Premier team.  In the Yakima area, it is 4-6 High Schools, and in Spokane it is about a dozen, unless they have a player who joins from Cheney, Medical Lake, Pullman, or one of the Idaho towns.

Smaller areas really do not try to put girls teams into premier, it has been just too hard.

[duffer]

Moving the girls season was the dumest move ever! But so many of you parent asked for it The the state did it now you see every thing  it screws up! Worring about season play and high scholl play together was a joke Small minded people worried about the high school soccer season conflict!! Now! you that have to go over the pass to play this time of year put your lives in danger for the worrie of a wining season You are so dum mother buckers!!

[SoccerFlicks]

I am really suprised that the high school soccer schedule was in consideration of anything premier related.  I have quickly learned how little importance high school ball is in this area.

How did that happen - I assume long ago?  That high school soccer means little and premier ball means all?

[duffer]

I am really suprised that the high school soccer schedule was in consideration of anything premier related.  I have quickly learned how little importance high school ball is in this area.

How did that happen - I assume long ago?  That high school soccer means little and premier ball means all?

 Sorry  to many old mommy remember high school when they were a cheerleader and a good fifty pounds lighter in the butkis They still think High school soccer means something!Socialy it does But collage wise NO so its easy if your kid needs a pat on the back for out playing most the short bus players in high scholl its great but if there a solid kid don,t worry so much!

[gr8cgar]

Those kids who play premier on an A team --  Does playing high school soccer create a ton of bad habits that a premier coach much spend tons of time correcting?

[SoccerFlicks]

Sorry to many old mommy remember high school when they were a cheerleader

YES I was the soccer cheerleader in high school!  I wont comment about the weight though!

It is really interesting that the major media does not cover premier, but covers high school ball.

Call it the short bus if you want, I think it's helpful to the students "educational experience" at high school to participate in the school sports.  Varsity letters still help where scholarship applications and the like are concerned.  Besides, who can complain at the participation - at the very least there is more practice to be had if playing for both high school and club team.

[yote19]

Those kids who play premier on an A team --  Does playing high school soccer create a ton of bad habits that a premier coach much spend tons of time correcting?

I don't think so Cigar man--if you emphasize the tactics that you teach within club soccer (all summer and tournament season), your player isn't going to lose it by playing some games between local high schools.  Some leagues have some pretty decent soccer being played.  However, they will be in good shape because the coaches in high school who don't know what they are doing, run the hell out of the girls.

[Brat Jr]

Those kids who play premier on an A team --  Does playing high school soccer create a ton of bad habits that a premier coach much spend tons of time correcting?

I don't think so Cigar man--if you emphasize the tactics that you teach within club soccer (all summer and tournament season), your player isn't going to lose it by playing some games between local high schools.  Some leagues have some pretty decent soccer being played.  However, they will be in good shape because the coaches in high school who don't know what they are doing, run the hell out of the girls.

yeah they do

[sockemgirlz]

Those kids who play premier on an A team --  Does playing high school soccer create a ton of bad habits that a premier coach much spend tons of time correcting?

Trust me.... it is not just "A" team players who get bad habits..... The only positive thing that came out of my girls (A and B Teams) playing HS was that they came back knowing how to kick a ball in the air.... which is great if you play a direct style.... BUT I DON'T!!  Many have realized how much they lost and are debating playing HS next year since they missed so much from club training and also realized how bad of a coach they had in HS!!

[yote19]

It does depend on the coach and the level of play at that respective high school.

[sccraddict]

Older dd knows her HS coach isn't the best soccer coach and he  likes the direct style which she has never really ever had a coach that played that way.  She just never played that in HS ball and continued to play the way that she was trained in club.  After a few times of her showing him that the way she played actually worked (along with a couple other good club players) - he quit saying things to the girls that were moving the ball on good passing down the field and let them play the style of ball that they played in club.  Hopefully he continues with that as younger dd and half her club team will be at the HS next year and they don't play that direct style ball either.  Sometimes good club players can teach these HS coaches a thing or two.

[SoccerFlicks]

Well, riddle me this:

If club ball is da-bomb for soccer, why don't the big media outlets cover it?

[golazo]

It's the same for any club sports, the media may do a story on your team or individual if they make it to a championship round, or are nationally recognized for their talent, but they do not do league coverage, etc for private club sports.

High schools are public, most of the readership of the local paper has some past connection to one of the local high schools, and the readers are interested in finding out how their alma mater is fairing against their cross-town rivals.

Most of the media probably have no idea who their local club teams are, and the same goes for the premier volleyball, baseball, softball, basketball clubs in their area.

[yote19]

We really don't have a local paper to cover our high school sports anymore.  That left with them closing down the valley daily journal.  You are lucky you have a local Everett paper.

I have seen a few areas that promote their club teams, but you really have to search for them...Phoenix and Boise to name a couple from memory.