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[scottgallagher72]

The rules clearly state: If games are cancelled due to an unplayable field or adverse weather condition that prevents a team from travelling to the venue site, the tournament director will determing the rescheduling

This is a key point because we did not have this happen.  We have teams and organizations rescheduling their own games.  If the Director would have rescheduled, I would at least expect it to be a good situation for everyone involved and also all of the other teams affected by this decision.  

Also, don't put out statements after the fact that could have affected the decision making of teams that had to travel under outrageous conditions.  WSYSA came out with a OH By the way statement "if you had to travel more than 9-10 hours round trip, we are not asking our members to do that".  This was put out after several teams had made those types of day journeys to games.  Now, I don't know if you ever played competitive soccer Futsal, but this is a huge advantage to home teams in this situation.   Soccer is a very energy intensive sport, and if you don't have proper rest and you're cramped in Vehicles for hours during a commute and trying play the same day that's a virtually impossible task to ask any coach and team to endure and have success.  Advantage home team.  Many teams made these commutes in fear that if they did not they would be accussed of forfeiting the game.

This goes back to the lack of leadership on this whole issue.  If the state would have come out and made some hard line rules about what needed to happen this would not have taken place.  It amazes me at how simple the solution would have been, but instead we choose to make 1000 different excuses as to why it did not happen.  Now you have a state tournament that is probably not representative of all the best talent that should be there.  Not to take away anything from any team that benefited from the situation.

[Futsal]

The rules clearly state: If games are cancelled due to an unplayable field or adverse weather condition that prevents a team from travelling to the venue site, the tournament director will determing the rescheduling

This is a key point because we did not have this happen.  We have teams and organizations rescheduling their own games.  If the Director would have rescheduled, I would at least expect it to be a good situation for everyone involved and also all of the other teams affected by this decision.  

Also, don't put out statements after the fact that could have affected the decision making of teams that had to travel under outrageous conditions.  WSYSA came out with a OH By the way statement "if you had to travel more than 9-10 hours round trip, we are not asking our members to do that".  This was put out after several teams had made those types of day journeys to games.  Now, I don't know if you ever played competitive soccer Futsal, but this is a huge advantage to home teams in this situation.   Soccer is a very energy intensive sport, and if you don't have proper rest and you're cramped in Vehicles for hours during a commute and trying play the same day that's a virtually impossible task to ask any coach and team to endure and have success.  Advantage home team.  Many teams made these commutes in fear that if they did not they would be accussed of forfeiting the game.

This goes back to the lack of leadership on this whole issue.  If the state would have come out and made some hard line rules about what needed to happen this would not have taken place.  It amazes me at how simple the solution would have been, but instead we choose to make 1000 different excuses as to why it did not happen.  Now you have a state tournament that is probably not representative of all the best talent that should be there.  Not to take away anything from any team that benefited from the situation.

The rule you site says that the tournament director will determine the rescheduling.  It does not say that he/she will do the rescheduling.

Assigning the Association tournament reps to do the rescheduling is determining scheduling.

This is similar to the rule that says that the State Youth Referee Administrator will be the Assignor of Record for all State Cup games.  He really does not actually assign every referee to every game ... he is responsible to making sure it is done.

As for travel ... well ... a few years ago on Standings Plus I posted my teams travel miles during the league season.

That team logged more than 2,600 driving miles just in league play.

Our nearest game was 265 miles from home ... our farthest one was 375 miles from home.  Spokane to Bellingham is around 12 hours round trip ... much more than the 9-10 hours you quote in your reply.

By comparison, three of the other teams in the league were within 20 miles of each other.  This meant that 9 of their 14 games were essentially non-road games.

[scottgallagher72]

Well said futsal.  I agree that you have had to endure some travel challenges, the only difference here is the planning.  At least during those challenges you had adequate opportunity to plan for that.  These teams did not and to that is the difference.  The state should have put out a straight forward statement allowing these teams plan for the travel.

[PrideNJoy]

I'll ask again, if teams or clubs were to have the option to schedule their own matches, who is responsible for assigning refs?  Isn't this a big part of the deal here?  How can any ref be expected to be assigned a match and not know precisely when it will be without forgoing his life being ready to go on a moments or at worst I suppose one days notice?

who schedules them?

[scottgallagher72]

Good question Pride and Joy!  This goes back to the reason why the director should be the one who schedules at least the day and let the teams deal with the time.  Not only do we give teams a competitive advantage to reschedule on the day of choice, but now the refs are issue as well.

[PrideNJoy]

Good question Pride and Joy!  This goes back to the reason why the director should be the one who schedules at least the day and let the teams deal with the time.  Not only do we give teams a competitive advantage to reschedule on the day of choice, but now the refs are issue as well.

not sure I understand.......big suprise there I know lol.  who schedules them as it is right now?

[scottgallagher72]

Just a comment!  I'm waiting for Futsal to follow up!

[Futsal]

Well said futsal.  I agree that you have had to endure some travel challenges, the only difference here is the planning.  At least during those challenges you had adequate opportunity to plan for that.  These teams did not and to that is the difference.  The state should have put out a straight forward statement allowing these teams plan for the travel.

Actually, league rules only requires 72 hour notice of field location and time.  So if our opponents wish, they can wait until 9pm on Wednesday to tell us about our Saturday game.

Also, last season my team traveled to Tumwater and waited at the assigned field.  The other team was nowhere in sight.  Then someone came up to us and told us the location was moved a couple of miles away.

We could have protested it based on the 72 hour notice ... but hey ... things happen and since we drove all the way from Spokane, whats another few miles.

Even in the Premier League, teams can get together and reschedule when needed without going through state.

[Futsal]

I'll ask again, if teams or clubs were to have the option to schedule their own matches, who is responsible for assigning refs?  Isn't this a big part of the deal here?  How can any ref be expected to be assigned a match and not know precisely when it will be without forgoing his life being ready to go on a moments or at worst I suppose one days notice?

who schedules them?

Typically, WSYSA only schedules the date of the games and leaves the time and location up to the home teams local associations/club.  After all, its the local people that have the fields and the referees.

This is how the WSPL is also handles their games.

As for assigning the referees ... here is the State Cup rules in a simple form.

1. When you are not playing on a neutral field, the home team is responsible for providing a properly marked field and referees.  This can be handled via a club or association person.

2. When you are playing on a neutral field.  The Association providing the neutral field is responsible for making sure the field is properly marked and that referees is assigned.

One twist that came up in an email recently by a higher up in the referee establishment.  Her opinion was that if a State Cup game had to be played on a neutral field, the assigned referee crew must travel to the neutral field.

This does not mesh with the WSYSA Tournament Rules ... and consider this.

A game gets moved from Spokane to Starfire ... what referee crew will travel 250+ miles for one game?  Who pays for the travel cost of the referee crew for one game?