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[Apple]

This probably sounds dumb but why not have group try outs:

Crossfire and EFC can have try outs together

NWN and Evergreen and Pacific Premier and Snoho

Dos and Highline and FW and Patriots and Crush

ECFC and

Harbor and WPFC

Save the planet and save on gas

[Dragon]

Great idea!

Of course the DOC's and Big Wigs are laughin' their Butts off :lol:  :?

[Back In BLACK]

WHY NOT JUST HAVE A PLAYER DRAFT!!!!

[overachiever]

Now there's an idea - a DRAFT - little league baseball does this.  One tryout and all the coaches fight over the players - I LIKE IT!

A regional draft.

[sosoccer]

Apple,  Are you wanting to see a big Cat Fight?  I also think that kids still determine where they want to play by their friends on the team.

[Great Dane]

WHY NOT JUST HAVE A PLAYER DRAFT!!!!

Sounds good, and it will happen right after the kids start getting paid to play. :lol:   What kind of signing bonus do ya think the 1st pick in the draft would get? :shock:  :lol:   In all seriousness, as long as parents are paying, parents will be choosing where their kids go for tryouts.  Little league baseball is not an equivalent situation as others suggested, as their "draft" is for kids being put on teams within the same organization.

[Boo'sdaddy]

Better yet, let's start a Fantasy Youth Soccer League. We can have our own draft day. We can draft U11-U13 players. You can pick up to 15 players. You have to play 11 and name your starting line up no later than 11pm on Friday night. You have to play 3 forwards, four mids, 3 defenders and a keeper. You get 1 point for an average goal, 2 points scored off a corner, 3 points scored off a header, 1/2 point for assists. Add a 1/2 point for every goal scored by a midfielder from outside the box. 2 points for a goal scored by a defender. So that means if a defender scores with a header off a corner kick from outside the keepers box its.....ah crap, that's too much math. Come on, the idea has merit

[Victory]

I was thinking of something more along the lines of this.

Have a big state wide tryout video taping each player.  Give the tapes to EA sports and have them program each player.  Set the XBox to computer vs computer and for a whole season.  Play it on a big screen at Starfire and stream it on the net.  This way our DD can watch the games too

[HuskyDawg]

Better yet, let's start a Fantasy Youth Soccer League. We can have our own draft day. We can draft U11-U13 players. You can pick up to 15 players. You have to play 11 and name your starting line up no later than 11pm on Friday night. You have to play 3 forwards, four mids, 3 defenders and a keeper. You get 1 point for an average goal, 2 points scored off a corner, 3 points scored off a header, 1/2 point for assists. Add a 1/2 point for every goal scored by a midfielder from outside the box. 2 points for a goal scored by a defender. So that means if a defender scores with a header off a corner kick from outside the keepers box its.....ah crap, that's too much math. Come on, the idea has merit

You've got WAY too much time on your hands! :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:

[Back In BLACK]

WHY NOT JUST HAVE A PLAYER DRAFT!!!!

Sounds good, and it will happen right after the kids start getting paid to play.  

Here's an idea along the lines of getting paid to play.... Why don't the finalists in these starfire tournaments get some team cash???  As long as starfire is going to charge $5 for parking and $3-5 to walk into the stadium to watch your dd/ds play the winning team should get a littlle something for their effort.  Especially U12 and up.  A little extra dough would be nice for those heading to regionals  

[duffer]

WHY NOT JUST HAVE A PLAYER DRAFT!!!!

Sounds good, and it will happen right after the kids start getting paid to play. :lol:   What kind of signing bonus do ya think the 1st pick in the draft would get? :shock:  :lol:   In all seriousness, as long as parents are paying, parents will be choosing where their kids go for tryouts.  Little league baseball is not an equivalent situation as others suggested, as their "draft" is for kids being put on teams within the same organization.

There are some kids already being payed to play! You know the ones parents can aford the fees but kid is so good Club X pays fees to get parent to switch team! Clubs that give scolorships to familys that can aford fees should lose the right to operate!And if there having fundraisers to buy more players shame on you parents for giving them more cash!What club X does now for wins has embarased all of us!Club X can be any club that gives money to a family not in need!I,m not talking about the family on food stamps single parent barly getting by! Making less that cost of liveing! I,m talkingabout the family with 800.00 worth of car payments!! And there hand out! shame on any one stealing money or fees from someone in need!

[cheersme95keep]

so people w/ $800 in carpayments should sell their cars so DK should play on the soccer team DK chooses to play on?  Sell their house to have a smaller house payment to afford soccer?

[Squash]

so people w/ $800 in carpayments should sell their cars so DK should play on the soccer team DK chooses to play on?  Sell their house to have a smaller house payment to afford soccer?

Wow, i think you missed the point. I think his point is scholarships need to be used for their purpose, helping those in need. If a family is spending $800 on car payments, they should not be getting money to play soccer at the youth level.

I idea of scholarships typically is helping those in NEED

I think duffer is saying he believes some clubs are giving $$ to kids with $$$$$ in order to recruit or strengthen their team. Basically free soccer because your good.  Would that not be against NCAA rules down the road for these kids? It's one thing to need the money to afford to play, it's a totally different animal if you are paying kids fees when they have $$$$$$. It's like buying them........

That's how i took what he said....i could be wrong too though  :lol:

[duffer]

so people w/ $800 in carpayments should sell their cars so DK should play on the soccer team DK chooses to play on?  Sell their house to have a smaller house payment to afford soccer?

Wow, i think you missed the point. I think his point is scholarships need to be used for their purpose, helping those in need. If a family is spending $800 on car payments, they should not be getting money to play soccer at the youth level.

I idea of scholarships typically is helping those in NEED

I think duffer is saying he believes some clubs are giving $$ to kids with $$$$$ in order to recruit or strengthen their team. Basically free soccer because your good.  Would that not be against NCAA rules down the road for these kids? It's one thing to need the money to afford to play, it's a totally different animal if you are paying kids fees when they have $$$$$$. It's like buying them........

That's how i took what he said....i could be wrong too though  :lol:

Exzactamundo!

[duffer]

so people w/ $800 in carpayments should sell their cars so DK should play on the soccer team DK chooses to play on?  Sell their house to have a smaller house payment to afford soccer?

You think to much trying to be right about chooses!
And yes I would drive a lesser car or buy a lesser house If I thought an ativity I pay for for my kids would help keep them out of rehab or off the streets But we all make are own choices and all have are own values It just I,m right and your wrong!!

[Liverpoolfan]

I was talking to a CP from the Oregon Eastside club 2 years ago and he told me that the club did exactly that when they found out his kid was going to another club at tryouts.

I was blown away!  I shouldn't be as I see this kind of thing constantly in the "Club" basketball leagues.

[Gumby]

... and people wonder why so many young superstar athletes are so screwed up.  :twisted:  You're so special you get more than anybody else.  That is a lesson they will keep throughout their lives.      

[Mufasa]

This probably sounds dumb but why not have group try outs:

Crossfire and EFC can have try outs together

NWN and Evergreen and Pacific Premier and Snoho

Dos and Highline and FW and Patriots and Crush

ECFC and

Harbor and WPFC

Save the planet and save on gas

cAts and dogs living together... Mass hysteria!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[HuskyDawg]

This probably sounds dumb but why not have group try outs:

Crossfire and EFC can have try outs together

NWN and Evergreen and Pacific Premier and Snoho

Dos and Highline and FW and Patriots and Crush

ECFC and

Harbor and WPFC

Save the planet and save on gas

cAts and dogs living together... Mass hysteria!!!

Better keep those kitties off the Dawg Porch :twisted:

[Islander]

So clearly the way it is now most of feel the system has created a fee agency market at the end of the year that grosely limits the options of the athletes and clubs to select teams.

So why not create a period after State Cup and prior to Tryouts where clubs would have open training sessions and the coaches could evaluate palyers under conditions that would not be quite as stressful as tryouts.  And at the end of the open sessions a player could evaluate their desire to tryout for that club or receive an invitation to tryout.

You'll never get clubs to hold tryouts at different times.  You are never going to get away from their desire to have yearly tryouts and the option to cut/retain as the coahes please, but at least you'll give the Athlete some say in all of this.

The Althete did not create this free agency market and should not feel guilty nor made out as a traitor for wanting to move and find the right fit.

[Drfredc]

I think duffer is saying he believes some clubs are giving $$ to kids with $$$$$ in order to recruit or strengthen their team.

IMHO, those who need a hardship scholarship, ought to apply to the WSYSA for eligibility before their first tryout.  Their application and/or acceptance for scholarship ought to be noted on any and all tryout application forms for tryouts they go to.  Optionally/alternatively, clubs/coaches ought to have a way to check a player's hardship status at the State, with some sort of privacy protections so that only those with a need to know would have access to that info.

There would be need to some sort of sanctions against a club/coach for giving a scholarship to someone who hasn't applied to the state for a hardship scholarship.

 The idea is to level the playfield when it comes to handing out hardship applications so that hardship scholarships are no longer  abused as a 'signing' bonus.   In my limited experience, signing 'bonuses'/hardship scholarships are not abused all that often (at least not by my son's club, but it does happen.

[obie]

WHY NOT JUST HAVE A PLAYER DRAFT!!!!

Sounds good, and it will happen right after the kids start getting paid to play.  

Here's an idea along the lines of getting paid to play.... Why don't the finalists in these starfire tournaments get some team cash???  As long as starfire is going to charge $5 for parking and $3-5 to walk into the stadium to watch your dd/ds play the winning team should get a littlle something for their effort.  Especially U12 and up.  A little extra dough would be nice for those heading to regionals  

The money collected at the gate for the finals has always been divided up between the champions to help with the travel expenses to regions. At least in the past when the districts hosted the finals.

[Islander]

I think duffer is saying he believes some clubs are giving $$ to kids with $$$$$ in order to recruit or strengthen their team.

IMHO, those who need a hardship scholarship, ought to apply to the WSYSA for eligibility before their first tryout.  Their application and/or acceptance for scholarship ought to be noted on any and all tryout application forms for tryouts they go to.  Optionally/alternatively, clubs/coaches ought to have a way to check a player's hardship status at the State, with some sort of privacy protections so that only those with a need to know would have access to that info.

There would be need to some sort of sanctions against a club/coach for giving a scholarship to someone who hasn't applied to the state for a hardship scholarship.

 The idea is to level the playfield when it comes to handing out hardship applications so that hardship scholarships are no longer  abused as a 'signing' bonus.   In my limited experience, signing 'bonuses'/hardship scholarships are not abused all that often (at least not by my son's club, but it does happen.[/quote

Absolutely, unfortunately many may not know the rule until they hear it at a tryout.  So the clubs need to be the promoter of the program on their websites and at their tryouts.

[Flyboy]

Ahh, "scholarships" for those in need.  Why is it that such a high percentage (WELL over 50%) of the Crossfire scholarships go to players outside of the Lake Washington Youth Soccer Association catchment area???  Why do kids from Tacoma "need" to go all the way to Marymoor to play soccer?

In fairness, to obtain a scholarship they do need to fill out the equivalent form for getting free or reduced price school lunches.  And the scholarship only goes towards club fees ($150 - $250 a month), not team dues.

So who pays when the team goes to an out-of-area tournament?  The other parents on the team.

THAT is how they recruit.

[Islander]

Ahh, "scholarships" for those in need.  Why is it that such a high percentage (WELL over 50%) of the Crossfire scholarships go to players outside of the Lake Washington Youth Soccer Association catchment area???  Why do kids from Tacoma "need" to go all the way to Marymoor to play soccer?

In fairness, to obtain a scholarship they do need to fill out the equivalent form for getting free or reduced price school lunches.  And the scholarship only goes towards club fees ($150 - $250 a month), not team dues.

So who pays when the team goes to an out-of-area tournament?  The other parents on the team.

THAT is how they recruit.

Okay, but I don't believe recruiting is an all evil thing.  I don't see anything wrong with a coach or club approaching a player and showing some interest.  Like all sports, recruiting needs to be regulated and I believe it can.  Sure, like in many sports the clubs with the $$ are going to have an advantage, look at the Yankees but the smaller markets can survive or they'll continue to merge as they're doing now, but to say recruiting can not be done is not being realistic given the market we are all in.

[duffer]

Ahh, "scholarships" for those in need.  Why is it that such a high percentage (WELL over 50%) of the Crossfire scholarships go to players outside of the Lake Washington Youth Soccer Association catchment area???  Why do kids from Tacoma "need" to go all the way to Marymoor to play soccer?

In fairness, to obtain a scholarship they do need to fill out the equivalent form for getting free or reduced price school lunches.  And the scholarship only goes towards club fees ($150 - $250 a month), not team dues.

So who pays when the team goes to an out-of-area tournament?  The other parents on the team.

THAT is how they recruit.

Well i wonder if some of these coaching derectors get a slush fund that is not controled by those with half open eyes? Weird!  

It almost falls in to that catagory of gear given to clubs for there kids to receve for free only to have the club resell them the stuff they were supose to get for free then calling that a fund raiser! Weird!

Some of these clubs have crossed the line and are due for an arss kicken!

[duffer]

Ahh, "scholarships" for those in need.  Why is it that such a high percentage (WELL over 50%) of the Crossfire scholarships go to players outside of the Lake Washington Youth Soccer Association catchment area???  Why do kids from Tacoma "need" to go all the way to Marymoor to play soccer?

In fairness, to obtain a scholarship they do need to fill out the equivalent form for getting free or reduced price school lunches.  And the scholarship only goes towards club fees ($150 - $250 a month), not team dues.

So who pays when the team goes to an out-of-area tournament?  The other parents on the team.

THAT is how they recruit.

Okay, but I don't believe recruiting is an all evil thing.  I don't see anything wrong with a coach or club approaching a player and showing some interest.  Like all sports, recruiting needs to be regulated and I believe it can.  Sure, like in many sports the clubs with the $$ are going to have an advantage, look at the Yankees but the smaller markets can survive or they'll continue to merge as they're doing now, but to say recruiting can not be done is not being realistic given the market we are all in.

I,m saying the same thing I think it should be open market for recruiting  but I don,t think any youth club should be buying talent to be the best ! Do a good job they will find a way to make it work but to offer cash to get a family to switch is flat out wrong! Ive never said witch club so you guilty SOB can stop PMs now!

[Islander]

Ahh, "scholarships" for those in need.  Why is it that such a high percentage (WELL over 50%) of the Crossfire scholarships go to players outside of the Lake Washington Youth Soccer Association catchment area???  Why do kids from Tacoma "need" to go all the way to Marymoor to play soccer?

In fairness, to obtain a scholarship they do need to fill out the equivalent form for getting free or reduced price school lunches.  And the scholarship only goes towards club fees ($150 - $250 a month), not team dues.

So who pays when the team goes to an out-of-area tournament?  The other parents on the team.

THAT is how they recruit.

Okay, but I don't believe recruiting is an all evil thing.  I don't see anything wrong with a coach or club approaching a player and showing some interest.  Like all sports, recruiting needs to be regulated and I believe it can.  Sure, like in many sports the clubs with the $$ are going to have an advantage, look at the Yankees but the smaller markets can survive or they'll continue to merge as they're doing now, but to say recruiting can not be done is not being realistic given the market we are all in.

I,m saying the same thing I think it should be open market for recruiting  but I don,t think any youth club should be buying talent to be the best ! Do a good job they will find a way to make it work but to offer cash to get a family to switch is flat out wrong! Ive never said witch club so you guilty SOB can stop PMs now!

Duffer I agree.  Any scholarship package should be for those in need of financial assistance and not a tool to recuit.  The offer of assistance, the amount, and reason should be the same amount no matter which club makes the offer.  Some clubs just may be able to offer more scholarships.

[Great Dane]

Better yet, let's start a Fantasy Youth Soccer League. We can have our own draft day. We can draft U11-U13 players. You can pick up to 15 players. You have to play 11 and name your starting line up no later than 11pm on Friday night. You have to play 3 forwards, four mids, 3 defenders and a keeper. You get 1 point for an average goal, 2 points scored off a corner, 3 points scored off a header, 1/2 point for assists. Add a 1/2 point for every goal scored by a midfielder from outside the box. 2 points for a goal scored by a defender. So that means if a defender scores with a header off a corner kick from outside the keepers box its.....ah crap, that's too much math. Come on, the idea has merit

Don't worry about the math, we'll put it all on a nice spreadsheet that will accept downloads from Stat-Inc., which I'm sure will cover all these games since the new GYFSL (Girls Youth Fantasy Soccer Leagues) will the next hottest sensation!  Will the fantasy leagues be keeper leagues (no pun intended), or will you draft a whole new team each year?  So many questions left to be answered, but I'm with ya!!  Can you imagine the "wire report" this time of year as so many players are rumored to be moving teams, etc.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[Drfredc]

The offer of assistance, the amount, and reason should be the same amount no matter which club makes the offer.  Some clubs just may be able to offer more scholarships.

Bingo, you win the qp doll.  

  This sort of provision might provide an additional check and balance against unwarranted escalation of club/team fees.  

  I suppose another reasonable option might be for any such offers to be for X% of club/team fees, rather than X$. If an 'expensive' club has the $cholarship $ to offer, it should be able to do as much as any other club....  

  For Academy Clubs Teams, that are out of the WSYSA system, the sky's the limit -- they've got their own set of rules/guidelines/non-rules.  Academy tryouts should be totally separate from WSYSA tryouts, which isn't to say that Academy scouts couldn't watch over anyone's tryouts...

 Let the marketplace work.  If Academy teams could develop other resources for player development, let them share their wealth with talent that they feel is appropriate to their task/goals.