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« Reply #30 on: February 29, 2008, 09:38:40 PM »

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The offer of assistance, the amount, and reason should be the same amount no matter which club makes the offer.  Some clubs just may be able to offer more scholarships.


Bingo, you win the qp doll.  

  This sort of provision might provide an additional check and balance against unwarranted escalation of club/team fees.  

  I suppose another reasonable option might be for any such offers to be for X% of club/team fees, rather than X$. If an 'expensive' club has the $cholarship $ to offer, it should be able to do as much as any other club....  

  For Academy Clubs Teams, that are out of the WSYSA system, the sky's the limit -- they've got their own set of rules/guidelines/non-rules.  Academy tryouts should be totally separate from WSYSA tryouts, which isn't to say that Academy scouts couldn't watch over anyone's tryouts...


Yes I agree but should they drink coffee and talk on phone while coaching?i
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« Reply #31 on: February 29, 2008, 09:49:05 PM »

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so people w/ $800 in carpayments should sell their cars so DK should play on the soccer team DK chooses to play on?  Sell their house to have a smaller house payment to afford soccer?


Maybe I'm just different, but I'd say that if a person has $800 / month in car payments and as a result they are so strapped there's not enough left over for their kid to play soccer where they wish, then maybe it wasn't such a hot idea for these people to have ever bought these car(s) in the first place.  Maybe just drive the ol' beater a few more years.  :lol:    Just a thought...  ;)   With that said, the ugly reality of soccer is that it can be very expensive to play at a high level.  But, harsh as it may sound, it is not a kids god given right to play for whatever premier team they choose.  If a family can't affortd club X because of financial choices they've made, then go play rec or select rather than expecting others to pick up the tab.
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« Reply #32 on: February 29, 2008, 10:28:46 PM »

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With that said, the ugly reality of soccer is that it can be very expensive to play at a high level.  


Oh, give us a break.  There's plenty of sports that are at least or more expensive -- skating, skiing/boarding and gymnastics come to mind.  Tennis and swimming might not be too far behind.  Individual sports are pricey.  Baseball and Basketball have their own high end select/premier realities.   For all it matters, good piano lessons cost as much or more that many soccer coach monthly stipends.  

Ideally, one would hope that marketplace realities would kick in and starts to bear some of the burden of talent development thru various means.  However, here and there, some youth sport groups may have a stick up their who who with rules that prevent this stuff from happening.
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« Reply #33 on: February 29, 2008, 10:48:15 PM »

Here's a novel idea. Why not make EVERY Association charge the same amount so that $$$ is NOT an issue for families in their choices AND hardship cases should apply to WSYSA or whomever and have their data on file so that ALL Clubs are aware and can dole out scholarships EQUITABLY!! Why   Club X charges MORE than Club Y is a ridiculous concept anyway! This is YOUTH soccer , NOT Yale or Harvard :twisted:
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« Reply #34 on: February 29, 2008, 11:07:35 PM »

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Here's a novel idea. Why not make EVERY Association charge the same amount so that $$$ is NOT an issue for families in their choices AND hardship cases should apply to WSYSA or whomever and have their data on file so that ALL Clubs are aware and can dole out scholarships EQUITABLY!! Why   Club X charges MORE than Club Y is a ridiculous concept anyway! This is YOUTH soccer , NOT Yale or Harvard :twisted:


Very Bad idea.

Every club has different fixed cost structures depending upon all sorts of variables. Plus those clubs that cater to higher end development ought to be able to attract and keep higher end coaches, who deserve higher compensation than others.  Let the marketplace, not strangling regulation, be the guiding principle.  

BTW, one thing we discovered on my son's trip to Spain last year is families learn to sacrifice and work hard to make the important things work.  If it's worth the experience, it's worth the sacrifice and work it takes to get there.
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« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2008, 12:48:15 AM »

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Ahh, "scholarships" for those in need.  Why is it that such a high percentage (WELL over 50%) of the Crossfire scholarships go to players outside of the Lake Washington Youth Soccer Association catchment area???  Why do kids from Tacoma "need" to go all the way to Marymoor to play soccer?

In fairness, to obtain a scholarship they do need to fill out the equivalent form for getting free or reduced price school lunches.  And the scholarship only goes towards club fees ($150 - $250 a month), not team dues.
So who pays when the team goes to an out-of-area tournament?  The other parents on the team.

THAT is how they recruit.

OMG, did you say 'only'?  jumpin jehosiphat that just covers club fees for a player?  son of a ...........
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« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2008, 01:08:16 AM »

OK, gotta try the double quote thing here.
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Here's a novel idea. Why not make EVERY Association charge the same amount so that $$$ is NOT an issue for families in their choices AND hardship cases should apply to WSYSA or whomever and have their data on file so that ALL Clubs are aware and can dole out scholarships EQUITABLY!! Why   Club X charges MORE than Club Y is a ridiculous concept anyway! This is YOUTH soccer , NOT Yale or Harvard :twisted:

Love you Doc, but spoken like a true communist!  ;)

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Ahh, "scholarships" for those in need.  Why is it that such a high percentage (WELL over 50%) of the Crossfire scholarships go to players outside of the Lake Washington Youth Soccer Association catchment area???  Why do kids from Tacoma "need" to go all the way to Marymoor to play soccer?

In fairness, to obtain a scholarship they do need to fill out the equivalent form for getting free or reduced price school lunches.  And the scholarship only goes towards club fees ($150 - $250 a month), not team dues.
So who pays when the team goes to an out-of-area tournament?  The other parents on the team.

THAT is how they recruit.

OMG, did you say 'only'?  jumpin jehosiphat that just covers club fees for a player?  son of a ...........


Agreed... no wonder scholarships are in order for even the rich.  90% of us can't afford THAT!  :roll:
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« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2008, 01:29:13 AM »

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With that said, the ugly reality of soccer is that it can be very expensive to play at a high level.  


Oh, give us a break.  There's plenty of sports that are at least or more expensive -- skating, skiing/boarding and gymnastics come to mind.  Tennis and swimming might not be too far behind.  Individual sports are pricey.  Baseball and Basketball have their own high end select/premier realities.   For all it matters, good piano lessons cost as much or more that many soccer coach monthly stipends.  

Ideally, one would hope that marketplace realities would kick in and starts to bear some of the burden of talent development thru various means.  However, here and there, some youth sport groups may have a stick up their who who with rules that prevent this stuff from happening.


No, I think you need to give me a break doc.  Did I say other sports were not just as expensive?  You missed the point.  This is a "soccer discussion" not a "sports in general" forum, so I used soccer in my example.  I said the ugly reality of soccer is that it is very expensive to play at a high level, but that doesn't mean every kid has some sort of god given "right" to play on whatever team they wish even if their parents are not able to pay because they chose to spend their money in other ways.  I did not say other sports didn't have their own similar problems.
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« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2008, 01:36:59 AM »

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Here's a novel idea. Why not make EVERY Association charge the same amount so that $$$ is NOT an issue for families in their choices AND hardship cases should apply to WSYSA or whomever and have their data on file so that ALL Clubs are aware and can dole out scholarships EQUITABLY!! Why   Club X charges MORE than Club Y is a ridiculous concept anyway! This is YOUTH soccer , NOT Yale or Harvard :twisted:


I agree with Gumby, the comments above are spoken as if they came straight from a communist.  We live in the good old USA, and you cannot tell private organizations what they are allowed to charge their "customers".  Some clubs are more attractive for a variety of reasons, and those clubs can and should charge more.  Those that have a more difficult time attracting players will not be able to charge as much.  I hate stating the obvious, but it seems some need to hear it.
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