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[2muchsoccer]

The Pulse "venting" spot had me write...

Secrets about going to look around at other clubs and why not telling the team you are currently with.....

That is a hard call for a parent and a player to say this to a coach before hand.
Knowing first hand on this the parents get gutted and the player get's trashed.
When the time and place has it, then all is revealed to the coach on the move.

Some teams, parents, players, coaches are not so loving as the next. If you are wanting to look elsewhere, then you most likely will make the jump regardless.
But you JUST NEVER KNOW. That is why you keep quiet.
Yes, it would be nice to let the coach know before hand, but then what? All of a sudden you get the coach telling you what you want to hear, all of a sudden the sunshine comes out and a rainbow appears and all is well in the world, HA!

If you have a 'bubble' player, then it doesn't hurt to look around. If you have a quality player and you are looking around, you have your reasons...if a parent wants to tell before hand or after, it should be left up to the parents/player on this. There shouldn't be a debate on what is right, what is wrong on this.

And if I hear about what is called "respect" out of this...HA on that one too! I as a parent PAY for a service. If I feel that a service isn't being held up on a coaches end or a clubs end of it, then I have EVERY RIGHT to look elsewhere and IT IS NO ONE's BUSINESS IF I DO!!!!! I don't have to tell squat. That is on the end of the parent if they feel they wish to out of "respect" or whatever you want to call it.

[Just Me]

Agree 100%

[monday]

Politics and tryouts have a season and that is in full swing.   Try as you'd like to stay clear, everyone gets swept in.   And you thought sports training was only for the players.  

No guidebooks.  It is OJT.

[loyal fan]

I don't agree with what was said in the "Pulse" either.  Many parents or kids have their reasons for keeping quiet about their plans.  Maybe they are not positive they want to leave their team or maybe they are not positive they will have a position on their team for the following season.  They are maybe just trying to keep their options open.  If a coach finds out a player is considering moving he/she may decide to pick another player over your kid because he/she thinks your kid will be leaving anyway.  I think it is a good idea to tell your coach in a nice way that you are leaving, if you know you are leaving for sure.  My main reason for saying this is because your kid should try to leave on the best terms possible and not burn any bridges in case they decide to try out for their old team or old club in the future.  You could also end up with the same coach somewhere else in the future.  It is just best to leave on good terms if at all possible.  

I don't think most players think their team will "fall apart" without them.  Just about every team has old players leave and new players come aboard every year and they have to regroup a little.  I think it is more out of fear of having teammates mad at them or a coach they like disappointed in them for going elsewhere.

Also, coaches tend to be secretive too.  They might not necessarily tell a player they are looking to replace them (in case they can't find someone better) but if a better player does come along they suddenly find themselves cut and without a team. There are secrets  out there from both players and coaches.

[Crash]

To me, the author of the vent article wasn't complaining about the CP's that look elsewhere and keep quiet (that is their right :!: ).  He or she is asking CP's to check the drama (hinting that they may be looking elsewhere (to gain favor  :?: with the current coach )... "None of your DK's will make or break the club, so either quite (quit) alluding to the fact that you're shopping, or else come out with it."  

That's my interpretation.

I think we might all agree that one thing not needed at tryout time is additional stress and drama.

[Brat Jr]

To me, the author of the vent article wasn't complaining about the CP's that look elsewhere and keep quiet (that is their right :!: ).  He or she is asking CP's to check the drama (hinting that they may be looking elsewhere (to gain favor  :?: with the current coach )... "None of your DK's will make or break the club, so either quite (quit) alluding to the fact that you're shopping, or else come out with it."  

That's my interpretation.

I think we might all agree that one thing not needed at tryout time is additional stress and drama.

Because of the no kickaround rule and tryouts being at almost the same time, it is going to limit what your kid can and can't do. Can go to THEIR practices, but no others, times overlap, even with PDL teams for trouts.

Miki will be trying out for her team again, but the fact is I'm scared spitless! Miki has always had a team to fall back on.
Soooo trying out for Reign is out as the times overlap, trying out for her other choice, MRFC is feasible, but I don't know.

All this packed in one weeked mostly, I assuming, because Easter and Spring breaks happen the next few weekends after that and kids will be gone. Can they wait 3 weeks for tryouts? Probably not.
 
So, they go to tryouts, make said team hopefully, then sit back for how long before practices start???

[Great Dane]

To me, the author of the vent article wasn't complaining about the CP's that look elsewhere and keep quiet (that is their right :!: ).  He or she is asking CP's to check the drama (hinting that they may be looking elsewhere (to gain favor  :?: with the current coach )... "None of your DK's will make or break the club, so either quite (quit) alluding to the fact that you're shopping, or else come out with it."  

That's my interpretation.

I think we might all agree that one thing not needed at tryout time is additional stress and drama.

My dad always told me to never point a gun at someone unless you're willing to shoot and never shoot unless you shoot to kill.  I think the above is correct in that hinting around about leaving to gain favor with the coach without any real intentions of following through may leave your kid flapping in the wind.  You're pointing the gun with no real intention of shooting.  Guns don't scare some people - only a person willing and able to pull the trigger.  So, yes, if your kid is serious about wanting a different soccer experience and is willing to do what it takes to get it, then either keep it quiet while they explore oppurtunities or be up front, honest, and direct with their current coach about the situation and face the good and/or bad consequences of doing such.  Your choice.   Just don't wave the gun around with no serious intentions of pulling the trigger.  Typically only bad comes of that sort of game.

[Crash]

Brat-

I feel for you guys...

Tryouts are a fine mess this year...not friendly at all.

I agree with the other posters, and would keep my intentions on the down low.

-crash

[Jumbalaya]

I can understand both viewpoints. It really comes down to your own personal feelings. If it makes you feel like you are "sneaking around" exploring other options for your DK then I think you should be honest and face the potential consequences. Let's face it, if you are looking there is a reason (and many times it is not the coach!). On the other hand, if you are unfazed by keeping things on the "down low" while you explore your options...by all means do so. All CP's should just go into each situation with their eyes open! There are potential consequences either way. If you tell the coach you could be cut just because and if you don't and get caught, you can create animosity! This just adds to the fun of the season doesn't it?          

Good luck to all out there trying out this season! I hope everybody lands on the team they want to! :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:

[loyal fan]

Why should it be a surprise to any coach if players are looking elsewhere?  Haven't we heard over and over again on this site that no player should ever feel they are guaranteed a position on a team? That ANY player could possibly be cut at anytime.  If that is the case, having players checking out other options shouldn't come as a surprise whether a player is up front about it or not.

[krrnrgrl]

To me, the author of the vent article wasn't complaining about the CP's that look elsewhere and keep quiet (that is their right :!: ).  He or she is asking CP's to check the drama (hinting that they may be looking elsewhere (to gain favor  :?: with the current coach )... "None of your DK's will make or break the club, so either quite (quit) alluding to the fact that you're shopping, or else come out with it."  

That's my interpretation.

I think we might all agree that one thing not needed at tryout time is additional stress and drama.

Because of the no kickaround rule and tryouts being at almost the same time, it is going to limit what your kid can and can't do. Can go to THEIR practices, but no others, times overlap, even with PDL teams for trouts.

Miki will be trying out for her team again, but the fact is I'm scared spitless. [/b] Miki has always had a team to fall back on.
Soooo trying out for Reign is out as the times overlap, trying out for her other choice, MRFC is feasible, but I don't know.

All this packed in one weeked mostly, I assuming, because Easter and Spring breaks happen the next few weekends after that and kids will be gone. Can they wait 3 weeks for tryouts? Probably not.
 
So, they go to tryouts, make said team hopefully, then sit back for how long before practices start???

I think there are many of us with these same feelings!  
What I've decided is to go with my DDs heart/desire, as I feel that is what her soccer is all about...she passionately wants to play with her current coach and the girls she so enjoys...so that is where she'll tryout.  As we know, anything can happen at tryouts that is beyond our control. Initially, we talked about her trying out for more than one club and have decided against it....I think going from one tryout to the next, can work against an athlete....she will go to only one with fresh legs and a happy heart with the hope of good news when it is all over!  If our hopes are not fulfilled, her love of the game will lead her to option 2 if need be...Good Luck to all those special kids during tryouts!!! :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:

[kennard04]

The Pulse "venting" spot had me write...

Secrets about going to look around at other clubs and why not telling the team you are currently with.....

That is a hard call for a parent and a player to say this to a coach before hand.
Knowing first hand on this the parents get gutted and the player get's trashed.
When the time and place has it, then all is revealed to the coach on the move.

Some teams, parents, players, coaches are not so loving as the next. If you are wanting to look elsewhere, then you most likely will make the jump regardless.
But you JUST NEVER KNOW. That is why you keep quiet.
Yes, it would be nice to let the coach know before hand, but then what? All of a sudden you get the coach telling you what you want to hear, all of a sudden the sunshine comes out and a rainbow appears and all is well in the world, HA!

If you have a 'bubble' player, then it doesn't hurt to look around. If you have a quality player and you are looking around, you have your reasons...if a parent wants to tell before hand or after, it should be left up to the parents/player on this. There shouldn't be a debate on what is right, what is wrong on this.

And if I hear about what is called "respect" out of this...HA on that one too! I as a parent PAY for a service. If I feel that a service isn't being held up on a coaches end or a clubs end of it, then I have EVERY RIGHT to look elsewhere and IT IS NO ONE's BUSINESS IF I DO!!!!! I don't have to tell squat. That is on the end of the parent if they feel they wish to out of "respect" or whatever you want to call it.

at the end of every year, all bets are off. All alliances are done, commitment for the season is over. You have no loyalty to the coach or club, just as the club has no loyalty to you. I owe nothing to the coach, I wouldn't discuss anything with the coach other than how he ranked my kids performance over the prior year.  From that info you need to make your decisions to stay or go

[overachiever]

The no kickaround, open practice rule is the true problem here.  The way I see it, this was designed so a player MUST pick a club first, go to that tryout and hope for the best.  If you don't make the team - then it's your problem, not the clubs.  It certainly makes it easier for coaches, because they know that everyone who is at tryouts probably has no other options.

Good for the CLUB/COACHES - bad for the player.  Hey, but who's more important???

Ultimately what you'll see in the long run is more movement during the summer, good for the club too - because they get to keep your non-refundable registration fee!

[Brat Jr]

The no kickaround, open practice rule is the true problem here.  The way I see it, this was designed so a player MUST pick a club first, go to that tryout and hope for the best.  If you don't make the team - then it's your problem, not the clubs.  It certainly makes it easier for coaches, because they know that everyone who is at tryouts probably has no other options. But when its their ONLY option? Then what? Sorry you didn't make the team but I hear Rec soccer is starting up
Good for the CLUB/COACHES - bad for the player.  Hey, but who's more important???

Ultimately what you'll see in the long run is more movement during the summer, good for the club too - because they get to keep your non-refundable registration fee!

[overachiever]

Exactly - vitually impossible to go back to rec. soccer after playing select/premier - maybe we'll try softball :-).....so much for player development.

But hey, at least the soccer club has the players they want, with no mess, no fuss! :roll:

[CrazyLadyBlue]

I agree with Crash's interpretation of this one.  Seems more directed at talking about it, than doing it.
I see both sides as well.   But I agree that it's really no one's business what a kid/parent decides to do.  I know there are girls from our team looking at other tryouts, but it doesn't seem to be upsetting anyone.  I think that when you have new coaches coming in, uncertainty is huge, and kids feels safer with multiple options.  Beyond this, there are LOTS of reasons to look around.
I would agree with the part of the vent where they said player movement won't destroy a team.  It happens all the time.  It's happened to our team, and they still did great.
In the end, DK's and parents just have to do what they feel is best for them, and who cares what anyone else thinks!!

[SoccerFlicks]

Brat

I hope  the tryout weekend will go smoothly for you and yours.  Im a little bit overwhelmed with it all as that weekend for me will be a one parent taxing wonder for my two DS.  Im a little concerned that they wont get to where they need to be.

Side note, took the youngest to the Tyne tryout - thats going alright so far.

To me, the author of the vent article wasn't complaining about the CP's that look elsewhere and keep quiet (that is their right :!: ).  He or she is asking CP's to check the drama (hinting that they may be looking elsewhere (to gain favor  :?: with the current coach )... "None of your DK's will make or break the club, so either quite (quit) alluding to the fact that you're shopping, or else come out with it."  

That's my interpretation.

I think we might all agree that one thing not needed at tryout time is additional stress and drama.

Because of the no kickaround rule and tryouts being at almost the same time, it is going to limit what your kid can and can't do. Can go to THEIR practices, but no others, times overlap, even with PDL teams for trouts.

Miki will be trying out for her team again, but the fact is I'm scared spitless! Miki has always had a team to fall back on.
Soooo trying out for Reign is out as the times overlap, trying out for her other choice, MRFC is feasible, but I don't know.

All this packed in one weeked mostly, I assuming, because Easter and Spring breaks happen the next few weekends after that and kids will be gone. Can they wait 3 weeks for tryouts? Probably not.
 
So, they go to tryouts, make said team hopefully, then sit back for how long before practices start???

[simplysoccer]

I feel for you Bratilla.  I know tryouts this year are going to be limited to two clubs due to the times they are taking place and the time to commute to each one.  It is terrible and I do feel like I am paying for a service when it comes to a coach or club, yet I feel like I am forced at making a rash decision.

[Brat Jr]

Exactly - vitually impossible to go back to rec. soccer after playing select/premier - maybe we'll try softball :-).....so much for player development.

But hey, at least the soccer club has the players they want, with no mess, no fuss! :roll:

It wasn't too bad for older DD. She got to stay playing, showed off some of her skills and still learned. Granted, it wasn't as fast and as technical as select/premier, but it fit her.
Now with Miki, thats a whole 'nother subject.... I WON'T put her back in rec unless that is my ONLY choice.
Softball and basketball are looking good tho :mrgreen:

[hb96mom]

If it is any consolation to anyone I was complaining about this crazy tryout weekend to my sister and she informed me they do the exact same thing where my nephew plays U-14. That the kids there can basically tryout for one team with no fallback option and SHE LIVES IN MICHIGAN!!

That said I can't help but laugh thinking that maybe club A will get a ton of kids at tryouts and form and A. B. C. D and so on squad and club B will get just enough to fill the roster. Will they add days if they find they are not getting enough bodies at tryouts because of competition between clubs? Or how about club B not having a team at that age group because not enough quality players show up for tryouts and another club swamped with talent? Is that the goal here? I guess it isn't a really level playing field afterall......shall we start the puns about proper drainage and what not?
At least here we can go to one tryout for four teams CPSC/VUSA.

[ShelbyJ]

A few weeks ago, I posted the question about "to tell or not tell," asking for input. I got some very good help and insights, espeically some from coaches giving their perspective. It was titled "what to say about tryouts" or something like that, so if anyone is looking for additional advice, there is some there.

After thinking about it, we decided to let our coach know that we would be trying out for the team but also attending another tryout. We did not make a big production out of it and the entire conversation took about 3 minutes. We also let him know that his team was our first choice, but that we needed to have a back up plan. He was very supportive and we later got an email thanking us for being so up front and that our honesty was appreciated so he didn't have to hear through the grapevine that one of his players turned up elsewhere.

I am not suggesting that this would work for everyone. We made our decision based off of what we knew about our coach and what we felt was honest. I think it depends on the situation. I agree that I am a customer and I do pay, so I have rights. But the coach is not some faceless company; he or she is a person who has feelings and worries about the team as well.

[Brat Jr]

Heres the link Shelby is talking about
http://washingtonpremiersoccer.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=7495&highlight=

[Dragon]

What is cool, is the person who submitted the vent is tickled pink.  This was their first submission to the pulse ever, and they are very happy it has caused such good blah blah blha :mrgreen:

[simplysoccer]

I would also call it reminded panic for us CPs!

[Dragon]

I would also call it reminded panic for us CPs!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[2muchsoccer]

at the end of every year, all bets are off. All alliances are done, commitment for the season is over. You have no loyalty to the coach or club, just as the club has no loyalty to you. I owe nothing to the coach, I wouldn't discuss anything with the coach other than how he ranked my kids performance over the prior year.  From that info you need to make your decisions to stay or go[/quote]

I agree with the above 100%.

I am glad to hear the poster is excited too. I wasn't pickin' at that person, just saying it is a case by case situation. Besides, we needed to get some blah, blah, blah on here in between all these pre-try-outs, try-outs, and state cup, gotta blah, blah, blah about something around here!!
Since it is a first timer, have them send something else in to blah, blah, blah again  

[Dragon]

So where will these kids flock too?

Dragon minds want to know :twisted:

[EWSoccer64]

at the end of every year, all bets are off. All alliances are done, commitment for the season is over. You have no loyalty to the coach or club, just as the club has no loyalty to you. I owe nothing to the coach, I wouldn't discuss anything with the coach other than how he ranked my kids performance over the prior year. From that info you need to make your decisions to stay or go

The poster that wrote the above is one of the serious, more intelligent posters on this board.  But let's take a serious look at this.

What is the definition of a team?

What are the objectives of the program?

What are the aims of the players and parents?

Who are actually the stakeholders in the team, or the program?

These are basic questions, and the answers vary from one club to another.

[duffer]

at the end of every year, all bets are off. All alliances are done, commitment for the season is over. You have no loyalty to the coach or club, just as the club has no loyalty to you. I owe nothing to the coach, I wouldn't discuss anything with the coach other than how he ranked my kids performance over the prior year. From that info you need to make your decisions to stay or go

The poster that wrote the above is one of the serious, more intelligent posters on this board.  But let's take a serious look at this.

What is the definition of a team?

What are the objectives of the program?

What are the aims of the players and parents?

Who are actually the stakeholders in the team, or the program?

These are basic questions, and the answers vary from one club to another.

Please change name to DRphil64 I like that way better!

[Mufasa]

at the end of every year, all bets are off. All alliances are done, commitment for the season is over. You have no loyalty to the coach or club, just as the club has no loyalty to you. I owe nothing to the coach, I wouldn't discuss anything with the coach other than how he ranked my kids performance over the prior year. From that info you need to make your decisions to stay or go

The poster that wrote the above is one of the serious, more intelligent posters on this board.  But let's take a serious look at this.

What is the definition of a team?

What are the objectives of the program?

What are the aims of the players and parents?

Who are actually the stakeholders in the team, or the program?

These are basic questions, and the answers vary from one club to another.

cAt gunna let-her rip wit this one :mrgreen:

In past cAt agree that it mo bout THE TEAM and players learn that. Coach have loyalty ta kids and kids ta teams. It much more "family" oriented soccer back in cAt playin days...

Fast forward ta now and the WA soccer gods have changed it up in the name of better product. Side benefit fo dem is a fat paycheck.

Fact everyone gettin paid. cAt know no everyone makin big dough and there are coaches doin it for love of coachin but facts are facts and soccer first income for lots folks.

No get cAt wrong dat OK. Nuttin wrong wit gettin paid for yer time. But what happen as side effect is...

at the end of every year, all bets are off. All alliances are done, commitment for the season is over. You have no loyalty to the coach or club, just as the club has no loyalty to you. I owe nothing to the coach, I wouldn't discuss anything with the coach other than how he ranked my kids performance over the prior year. From that info you need to make your decisions to stay or go

Like it or not. That the way it is. Thank You PDL fo changing youth soccer in WA :|