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[2muchsoccer]

Wondering if ODP pool/roster will be effected with the new payment rule that was just sent out a few days ago.
Heard of a few "top" players quit due to fees.
Pool players $300, and additional $350 for Nike Cup, that is due now.
With kids that travel several hours out to play, and the cost of gas and now this -- will ODP simply get the kids of the parents that can afford it and/or simply get the kids that live in closer quarters of the practice sites?
or does any of this matter?

From what I have gathered on my side of town, it dosn't look good.

[Dragon]

DOH!

What happened to the good ol' days of free training :lol:

Last I heard, they don't even pay at SF when they get the fields :?

[juggles]

It is definitely true that some of the players involved will withdraw because of the fees. Biggest problem that i have is informing parents at the last minute about the fees. The fee schedule ought to have been available when players initially attended tryouts. I'm totally miffed about the $300 pool fee....what does that cover and for what time period. There will also be an additional charge incurred for those players who attend regional camp in July. This year,because of the Manchester United tournament ,the majority of regular ODP players will not be attending the ODP tournament as they are both held over the Memorial day weekend. Players who have never been involved in the ODP program were recruited solely so that a team would be available to compete.

[monday]

It is definitely true that some of the players involved will withdraw because of the fees. Biggest problem that i have is informing parents at the last minute about the fees. The fee schedule ought to have been available when players initially attended tryouts. I'm totally miffed about the $300 pool fee....what does that cover and for what time period. There will also be an additional charge incurred for those players who attend regional camp in July. This year,because of the Manchester United tournament ,the majority of regular ODP players will not be attending the ODP tournament as they are both held over the Memorial day weekend. Players who have never been involved in the ODP program were recruited solely so that a team would be available to compete.

How about traveling to Tukwila.   That must be a treat.  =:o)

[2muchsoccer]

DOH!

What happened to the good ol' days of free training :lol:

Last I heard, they don't even pay at SF when they get the fields :?

It is too bad Washington isn't like California ODP --
They don't pay a single penny for training, coaches, fields, gear, tounaments, etc.
Yes, this IS true!
Catch? Why yes, every kid that plays soccer in Cali pays an extra $5 of their fees that covers ODP. Great catch, eh?
I wouldn't mind that. Of course Washington players would have to pay more.

Not knocking ODP, but it would have been nice to been warned about such a large payment that is needed ASAP.
Now the hardship comes to stay or not to stay (for us poor parents).

Guess we could take out a loan?  :shock:

[2muchsoccer]

It is definitely true that some of the players involved will withdraw because of the fees. Biggest problem that i have is informing parents at the last minute about the fees. The fee schedule ought to have been available when players initially attended tryouts. I'm totally miffed about the $300 pool fee....what does that cover and for what time period. There will also be an additional charge incurred for those players who attend regional camp in July. This year,because of the Manchester United tournament ,the majority of regular ODP players will not be attending the ODP tournament as they are both held over the Memorial day weekend. Players who have never been involved in the ODP program were recruited solely so that a team would be available to compete.

Curious which they picked. ODP or Manchester.
My bet would be Manchester???

[On-the-road-again]

Juggles is right, ODP should have let the parents know up front what the fees were going to be.  They may have shot themselves in the foot not letting the parents know until the last minute.

[Victory]

As a parent whos DD got edged out of making it I can say I would find a way to find the money had she made it.  While cost was not disscussed at the tryout I assumed it would cost something had she made it.

[EWSoccer64]

>>>It is too bad Washington isn't like California ODP --
They don't pay a single penny for training, coaches, fields, gear, tounaments, etc.
Yes, this IS true!
Catch? Why yes, every kid that plays soccer in Cali pays an extra $5 of their fees that covers ODP. Great catch, eh?
I wouldn't mind that. Of course Washington players would have to pay more<<<<

Penguin, why should players from Eastern Washington pay an extra $5 per rec player to support a program that systematically discriminates against players from Eastern Washington?

[dogedog]

Last year we did not pay a dime as a pool player.  The only cost was when you were one of the 18 selected to travel.

[Great Dane]

It is definitely true that some of the players involved will withdraw because of the fees. Biggest problem that i have is informing parents at the last minute about the fees. The fee schedule ought to have been available when players initially attended tryouts. I'm totally miffed about the $300 pool fee....what does that cover and for what time period. There will also be an additional charge incurred for those players who attend regional camp in July. This year,because of the Manchester United tournament ,the majority of regular ODP players will not be attending the ODP tournament as they are both held over the Memorial day weekend. Players who have never been involved in the ODP program were recruited solely so that a team would be available to compete.

I've always heard ODP didn't cost anything unless your daughter was on the travel team.  So, the question above is a good one - is the $300 pool fee a new fee this year, and what does it include and for what time period?  I'm sure someone knows that can clarify.

[rollercoaster]

It's definately new this year...
 :shock:  :?  :shock:  :?  :shock:  :?
My DD is a '92 Pool Player.  Was on the travel team to Colorado Showcase last year and that is the only thing we paid for...
Someone whose DD is in '95 Player Pool called me last night talking about receiving this email (and I hadn't check my email yet) and I totally lied to her!   :oops:  :oops:  :oops:   I went on and on about it doesn't cost a thing unless you are on the travel team!  Whhoooopppps!!!! :shock:

As far a the fees themselves...I think it is totally worth the $300, would have just liked to know about the change sooner.

[Eggy]

Oregon ODP

Cost- $285
Includes:
all training prior to Freindship Cup
Uniform Kit- including practice gear and warm-ups

Utah Trip- $525
Includes Flight and Hotel

[breakaway]

DOH!

What happened to the good ol' days of free training :lol:

Last I heard, they don't even pay at SF when they get the fields :?

It is too bad Washington isn't like California ODP --
They don't pay a single penny for training, coaches, fields, gear, tounaments, etc.
Yes, this IS true!
Catch? Why yes, every kid that plays soccer in Cali pays an extra $5 of their fees that covers ODP. Great catch, eh?
I wouldn't mind that. Of course Washington players would have to pay more.

Not knocking ODP, but it would have been nice to been warned about such a large payment that is needed ASAP.
Now the hardship comes to stay or not to stay (for us poor parents).

Guess we could take out a loan?  :shock:

California is only free after you make the final pool roster.
But they have an amazing ODP scholarship program.

Tryout fees, pretty much pay for it to be free for the selected pool.

(going off $125 tryout fee)

125 x 100(kids) = $12,500

Option 2 (going off $150)

125 x 150(kids) = $18,750

The parents who paid the $125 and their kids didnt make the team had the priveledge of trying out, and well they have officially donated to the expenses for that team.  (And I heard those Nike Uniforms that they get to keep are really really nice)
Each player still has to pay for their trip to the Portland tourney Memorial Day weekend.  But no other fees are assesed to the team.

[breakaway]

It is definitely true that some of the players involved will withdraw because of the fees. Biggest problem that i have is informing parents at the last minute about the fees. The fee schedule ought to have been available when players initially attended tryouts. I'm totally miffed about the $300 pool fee....what does that cover and for what time period. There will also be an additional charge incurred for those players who attend regional camp in July. This year,because of the Manchester United tournament ,the majority of regular ODP players will not be attending the ODP tournament as they are both held over the Memorial day weekend. Players who have never been involved in the ODP program were recruited solely so that a team would be available to compete.

I've always heard ODP didn't cost anything unless your daughter was on the travel team.  So, the question above is a good one - is the $300 pool fee a new fee this year, and what does it include and for what time period?  I'm sure someone knows that can clarify.

...There is also financial information regarding participation in the program. With the support of Washington State Youth Soccer the cost to prepare and train the players is set a cost of $300.00 per player.  The fees include tournament fees, equipment, field rentals, registration, insurance and ground transportation when needed.  The pool fee does not cover expenses for team managers, coaches, or administrators as we are all volunteers....  

Why tournament fees? If you are paying $350pp to participate in the tournament.
Why equipment?  Really why equipment?
Why field rentals?  It was announced that all ODP field time was donated by Starfire.  So why field rentals again?  Did Starfire reneg?
Why registration?  What are they registered for?  The pool?
Why Insurance?  Every soccer player in the state is insured, am I wrong?
Why Ground Transportation?  Why pay for ground transportation when each parent is required to drive their player to Portland.  Again, what is the $350pp for the Portland trip covering if none of it is going towards ground transportation, tournament fees or equipment?  Help clear my foggy mind.

[Dragon]

Bottom line:

Yesterday FREE

Tomorrow $$$$


 :oops:

[dogedog]

Why tournament fees? If you are paying $350pp to participate in the tournament.
Uniforms, sweats, backpack and soccer ball
Hotel
Transportation from Hotel
etc........


Why equipment?  Really why equipment?
Not sure

Why field rentals?  It was announced that all ODP field time was donated by Starfire.  So why field rentals again?  Did Starfire reneg?

They must have, unless it is fields other then Starfire because of availibilty.


Why registration?  What are they registered for?  The pool?
those players in the pool are already registered.  Any players that tryout pay the $25 registration fee I thought.

Why Insurance?  Every soccer player in the state is insured, am I wrong?
You are correct, everyone is already covered by insurance.

Why Ground Transportation?  Why pay for ground transportation when each parent is required to drive their player to Portland.  Again, what is the $350pp for the Portland trip covering if none of it is going towards ground transportation, tournament fees or equipment?  Help clear my foggy mind.

I'm foggy on this as well not sure what the fees are for.  I'm sure the coaches do not pay thier own hotel fee either.  I think is part of the $350 but I'm not sure.  Coaches also get outfitted, which someone has to pay for and again I'm pretty sure it is not the coaches.

[juggles]

Apparently the $350 covers the lodging in the hotel  and the charter buses to transport them from the hotel to the fields and back.

[juggles]

Penguin, why should players from Eastern Washington pay an extra $5 per rec player to support a program that systematically discriminates against players from Eastern Washington

How is ODP discriminatory? Is it because trainings/tryouts are held west of the mountains?

[juggles]

Why Ground Transportation? Why pay for ground transportation when each parent is required to drive their player to Portland

 During out of town ODP events parent contact with the players is kept to a MINUMUM. The players,coaches,and managers stay together and move as a group. Parents may watch the games but  that is about the only "contact" they have with the players. The intent of this is to help the players become as self sufficient as possible and to allow them to bond as a team..

[breakaway]

Why Ground Transportation? Why pay for ground transportation when each parent is required to drive their player to Portland

 During out of town ODP events parent contact with the players is kept to a MINUMUM. The players,coaches,and managers stay together and move as a group. Parents may watch the games but  that is about the only "contact" they have with the players. The intent of this is to help the players become as self sufficient as possible and to allow them to bond as a team..

I understand why there is a need for minimal parent/player contact, I just don't understand the fees.

If ground transportation is included in the $350pp for the tournament (which is only to and from the field), why then say the $300 is for ground transportation.  I don't have a problem paying for the coach, as this is no more than $50 a player, maybe a little more.
Why say registration fee, when they are all registered and have been since the beginning?

Let's see if we can figure it out.

ground transportation $50pp
tournament fee $20pp
hotel(150/night) split between 4:  115pp
ball/bag/socks/jacket:  $50pp (purchased at a discount?)
coaches expenses: $50pp
Thats $285 so far... did I forget anything? Am I being cheap? :oops:

[EWSoccer64]

Penguin, why should players from Eastern Washington pay an extra $5 per rec player to support a program that systematically discriminates against players from Eastern Washington

How is ODP discriminatory? Is it because trainings/tryouts are held west of the mountains?

Err, I remmber when they had two "open" tryouts, the first in Puget Sound and the second in Yakima.    Announced, publicized and everything.   After the first open tryout, Schumacher and Co announced that they were cancelling the second (Eastern Washington) tryout, that they already had all the players they wanted.

Last year, of the 15 boys teams in P-1 at U-17 and U-16, 3 were  from Eastern Washington, how many players were invited to even Pool trainging for either age group?  I believe it was 1 boy, from Spokane Shadow.  

The state appointed ODP scout in central washington, Sharok Khabir, told me that he does not even bother going up to Yakima to watch games, even when asked to.   And for anyone he sees in the Tri-Cities, he tells them to go play for a Puget Sound club, and then they will get into ODP.

Last November, knowing (because I told him ahead of time) that the questions about ODP would come up, Schumacher looked up the states and found a single age group, boys and girls combined, where 3 Eastern Washington kids made it out onto the roster.   Eastern Washington has 16% of the population of the state, and we should be happy with 6% or 8% of the players in the ODP?   On what they admitted was an exceptional year for Eastern Washington?

We may live in the Boondocks, but we aren't stupid.

Let me ask you a question.  How many naitonal team players has Washington ODP produced under Dave Schumacher's decade long reign of misrule?  
Hint - the number is less than one.  Kasey Keller long preceded him.

How many national team players did Washington East ODP produce before the powers that be in Seattle lied and cheated us out of it?

Ever hear of the best female goalkeeper in the world, a young woman named Hope Solo?
Never played club ball for the Pugies.  Never part of Washington ODP.   A pure Eastern Washington Product.  

Previous posts on other, ODP related threads have shown, demonstrated and proven the bias that is inherent in the etire ODP system and how ODP has come to be used a recruiting tool by the "big clubs" against the "small clubs".

[Watcher]

Wondering if ODP pool/roster will be effected with the new payment rule that was just sent out a few days ago.
Heard of a few "top" players quit due to fees.
Pool players $300, and additional $350 for Nike Cup, that is due now.
With kids that travel several hours out to play, and the cost of gas and now this -- will ODP simply get the kids of the parents that can afford it and/or simply get the kids that live in closer quarters of the practice sites?
or does any of this matter?

From what I have gathered on my side of town, it dosn't look good.

This will be the hardest on the players that get their club fees paid by scholarships. Does ODP offer scholarships?

[2muchsoccer]

Wondering if ODP pool/roster will be effected with the new payment rule that was just sent out a few days ago.
Heard of a few "top" players quit due to fees.
Pool players $300, and additional $350 for Nike Cup, that is due now.
With kids that travel several hours out to play, and the cost of gas and now this -- will ODP simply get the kids of the parents that can afford it and/or simply get the kids that live in closer quarters of the practice sites?
or does any of this matter?

From what I have gathered on my side of town, it dosn't look good.

This will be the hardest on the players that get their club fees paid by scholarships. Does ODP offer scholarships?

Letter doesn't state anything about a scholarship.

[juggles]

I think that the issue of "west vs east" is probably played out in most of the western states. These states tend to have a single large metro area and smaller population concentrations elsewhere. The problem,I would think,is not unique to washington. This is not meant as an excuse but as reality. I don't think Hope Solo has anything to do with the issue of ODP and it's no surprise that several players from the tricities area are playing for clubs west of the cascades. There are more opportunities and better competition. That's a fact. There have never been very many eastern teams that have won state championships. Not a rap but a fact. Kids east of the mountains are not excluded but I admit that it's a huge hassle to have to travel over here to tryout/play.

[onthebench]

 

[touchline trouble]

 south end, good

[touchline trouble]

 

[duffer]

>>>It is too bad Washington isn't like California ODP --
They don't pay a single penny for training, coaches, fields, gear, tounaments, etc.
Yes, this IS true!
Catch? Why yes, every kid that plays soccer in Cali pays an extra $5 of their fees that covers ODP. Great catch, eh?
I wouldn't mind that. Of course Washington players would have to pay more<<<<

Penguin, why should players from Eastern Washington pay an extra $5 per rec player to support a program that systematically discriminates against players from Eastern Washington?

Becouse its right!!!

 Your like a woman want every thing equal Tell the situation not good for you !


Ya I,m bashing all you equal Rights preachers out there So Bite ME!

Hey back in the day there were plenty of kids from eastern washington in the pool If these ODP coaches are missing talent than why would you want to play! There $hit Right!

But every one should pay an extra 5$ for the dream that someday they will get it right! You have to start somewere or you can just keep Bitching about it!

[yote19]

It is definitely true that some of the players involved will withdraw because of the fees. Biggest problem that i have is informing parents at the last minute about the fees. The fee schedule ought to have been available when players initially attended tryouts. I'm totally miffed about the $300 pool fee....what does that cover and for what time period. There will also be an additional charge incurred for those players who attend regional camp in July. This year,because of the Manchester United tournament ,the majority of regular ODP players will not be attending the ODP tournament as they are both held over the Memorial day weekend. Players who have never been involved in the ODP program were recruited solely so that a team would be available to compete.

I've always heard ODP didn't cost anything unless your daughter was on the travel team.  So, the question above is a good one - is the $300 pool fee a new fee this year, and what does it include and for what time period?  I'm sure someone knows that can clarify.

...There is also financial information regarding participation in the program. With the support of Washington State Youth Soccer the cost to prepare and train the players is set a cost of $300.00 per player.  The fees include tournament fees, equipment, field rentals, registration, insurance and ground transportation when needed.  The pool fee does not cover expenses for team managers, coaches, or administrators as we are all volunteers....  

Why tournament fees? If you are paying $350pp to participate in the tournament.
Why equipment?  Really why equipment?
Why field rentals?  It was announced that all ODP field time was donated by Starfire.  So why field rentals again?  Did Starfire reneg?
Why registration?  What are they registered for?  The pool?
Why Insurance?  Every soccer player in the state is insured, am I wrong?
Why Ground Transportation?  Why pay for ground transportation when each parent is required to drive their player to Portland.  Again, what is the $350pp for the Portland trip covering if none of it is going towards ground transportation, tournament fees or equipment?  Help clear my foggy mind.

Let me clear some of the fog in your brain.
Starfire did not donated field usage.  But that is really between WYS and the complex.Therfore they did not reneg on anything. Unless you have something in writting to prove me wrong, and further more when my DK was invited to try out I called the ODP director "before" try out's and asked for an estimated cost if my DK were "skilled" enough to make the team. I was given the approx. cost that you are complaining about now.
If you don't ask the questions, you'll never know the answer. With all due respect you sound very bitter, did your DD not make the pool?[/quote]

Cookie that quote is so old.  Just let it go.