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[LEFTWINGER]

WHAT IS THE RANGE THE BIG CLUBS PLAY FOR A DOC? WHAT DO THEY DO?

[Back In BLACK]

Some do nothing but remind you they have a "B" License  :mrgreen:

[LEFTWINGER]

I AGREE WITH DUFFER, JUST BECAUSE SOME COACH HAS A DEGREE OR HAS A WONDERFUL ACCENT DOESN'T MAKE THEM A GOOD COACH OF THE GAME OR A GOOD DOC. COME ON CP'S YOU GUYS KNOW THIS STUFF BUT YOUR LURKIN AND NOT COUGHIN UP INFO. HOW MUCH DO THESE DONKEYS MAKE?

[Squash]

I AGREE WITH DUFFER, JUST BECAUSE SOME COACH HAS A DEGREE OR HAS A WONDERFUL ACCENT DOESN'T MAKE THEM A GOOD COACH OF THE GAME OR A GOOD DOC. COME ON CP'S YOU GUYS KNOW THIS STUFF BUT YOUR LURKIN AND NOT COUGHIN UP INFO. HOW MUCH DO THESE DONKEYS MAKE?

I know back a few years it was very little at Crossfire. I also remember Bernie and Peter DOC at the time taking pay cuts in order to help another coach out.

So i can't answer the question directly but back then...it was not much. The move they made to take pay cuts back then was not donkey like at all. I can not speak on anything else, but it did happen back then and I thought it was very cool of them.

[EWSoccer64]

WHAT IS THE RANGE THE BIG CLUBS PLAY FOR A DOC? WHAT DO THEY DO?

Last year, I know of one Central Washington club that paid around $50,000 for their two DoCs.   Another $40,000 (rumored) to the Academy coaches.   None to the coaches who actually coached teams.  

As far as specific salaries, I cannot post them.

[LEFTWINGER]

VERY COOL    :lol: OF THOSE DOC'S.

[Squash]

VERY COOL    :lol: OF THOSE DOC'S.

Like i said leftwinger...it was years back, so my comments are based on many years ago. I have no idea about now. :?

[Lurker-Man]

Seems to me that when Snohomish was advertising the position, they specified salary in the range of $40K - $45K.

[poolboy]

dude, thats descent coin, add a team or two and your talkin great coin. do some deck building and minor handy andy and your talkin over 100k a year. just need an accent and some skill.

[soccerdiva]

You can go to guidestar.com and look at the 990 forms for all non profits.  The majority of the "Select" clubs are non profit.  A certain DOC made $74k as DOC for a smaller club.  I can only imagine what the big clubs pay their DOC's.

[EWSoccer64]

And do not forget all the extra opportunities that a DoC has to flush out his revenue.   Camps are a big one.

When Bobbie Howe was WSYSA Director of Coaching, he made money in many ways, and had his salary as well.  

I doubt there was a year towards the last several of his tenure that he did not bring in $200K.

I could say more, but prudence prevents......

[Gumby]

I could care less.  The question needs to be is the money you are spending worth it?

If you see two movies a month, with snacks say $20.00 per show, thats $480.00 per year.  Do you really care that so and so makes 50 million a year?  No... you care if you are getting your moneys worth.

This is supply and demand... simple as that.  If you want to change it either increase supply or decrease demand.  How many of you folk want to do that?

This is going to be my last post on all the cost/PDL crap.  The mob mentality is running wild.  PDL and all who participate are either immoral scammers or ignorant bufoons.  Neither have any redeeming qualities... whatever... what a bunch of fricken whiners!!!  

QUIT BITCHING AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER!!!  :roll:

[Squash]

I could care less.  The question needs to be is the money you are spending worth it?

If you see two movies a month, with snacks say $20.00 per show, thats $480.00 per year.  Do you really care that so and so makes 50 million a year?  No... you care if you are getting your moneys worth.

This is supply and demand... simple as that.  If you want to change it either increase supply or decrease demand.  How many of you folk want to do that?

This is going to be my last post on all the cost/PDL crap.  The mob mentality is running wild.  PDL and all who participate are either immoral scammers or ignorant bufoons.  Neither have any redeeming qualities... whatever... what a bunch of fricken whiners!!!  

QUIT BITCHING AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER!!!  :roll:

Yep gumby take the stance of silence. That will make change happen. I have never seen change without a storm first.  :|  You may not like it, but in order to get things to change you have to talk about the issues.

If you give up, all you become is a pawn :|

[ineedtogetalife]

I could care less.  The question needs to be is the money you are spending worth it?

If you see two movies a month, with snacks say $20.00 per show, thats $480.00 per year.  Do you really care that so and so makes 50 million a year?  No... you care if you are getting your moneys worth.

This is supply and demand... simple as that.  If you want to change it either increase supply or decrease demand.  How many of you folk want to do that?

This is going to be my last post on all the cost/PDL crap.  The mob mentality is running wild.  PDL and all who participate are either immoral scammers or ignorant bufoons.  Neither have any redeeming qualities... whatever... what a bunch of fricken whiners!!!  

QUIT BITCHING AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER!!!  :roll:

Yep gumby take the stance of silence. That will make change happen. I have never seen change without a storm first.  :|  You may not like it, but in order to get things to change you have to talk about the issues.

If you give up, all you become is a pawn :|

Like complaining everyday in posts changes things :roll: .

This isn't the place to make things change Squash, i know you know that, but some of us don't like to read over and over that you and many others here think that us CP's that don't mind having our kids playing for PDL clubs because they thoroughly enjoy playing for them aren't as naive, stupid, mindless and what ever you and the others call us every time a 'PDL' topic gets posted.   PDL peeps here (well, I'll speak for myself only) don't like coming here much when the posts go on and on about how the clubs or leagues we choose to have our kids play for aren't in it for the kids. After 4 years with the same club (PDL), I don't see it that way.

I know this post will fall on deaf ears, but figured I'd post my say anyways. Listen if you like or continue to pounce.

[PrideNJoy]

You can go to guidestar.com and look at the 990 forms for all non profits.  The majority of the "Select" clubs are non profit.  A certain DOC made $74k as DOC for a smaller club.  I can only imagine what the big clubs pay their DOC's.

give us your login and password or tell us the details.  otherwise it seems like an advert for that site.  and yes, I registered, but they want money to view the forms by increasing my 'access' level.

this sounds earily familiar and paralleling a certain topic on this board lol

[soccerdiva]

[/quote]

give us your login and password or tell us the details.  otherwise it seems like an advert for that site.  and yes, I registered, but they want money to view the forms by increasing my 'access' level.

this sounds earily familiar and paralleling a certain topic on this board lol[/quote]

You do have to create an account but it does not cost anything to view the 990.  If you want more information you can increase your access and pay.  

Does anyone know how to post screen shots or pictures on here?

[duffer]

You can go to guidestar.com and look at the 990 forms for all non profits.  The majority of the "Select" clubs are non profit.  A certain DOC made $74k as DOC for a smaller club.  I can only imagine what the big clubs pay their DOC's.

give us your login and password or tell us the details.  otherwise it seems like an advert for that site.  and yes, I registered, but they want money to view the forms by increasing my 'access' level.

this sounds earily familiar and paralleling a certain topic on this board lol

Its very easy to get loged in and it will let you see there most corrent return that they have filed for free!

In most cases I have no problem what some make but when money is given to people that get bad reviews or are not getting there jobs done or a club is not giving value to the kids well  thats Crap!Theres some clubs that have endless fundraisers just to cover inflated exspences! and that flat out wrong!Youth soccer is not somthing that should be for a bunch of ex has-bins to exstort money from parents and kids just becouse they don,t know any better!

[Squash]

I could care less.  The question needs to be is the money you are spending worth it?

If you see two movies a month, with snacks say $20.00 per show, thats $480.00 per year.  Do you really care that so and so makes 50 million a year?  No... you care if you are getting your moneys worth.

This is supply and demand... simple as that.  If you want to change it either increase supply or decrease demand.  How many of you folk want to do that?

This is going to be my last post on all the cost/PDL crap.  The mob mentality is running wild.  PDL and all who participate are either immoral scammers or ignorant bufoons.  Neither have any redeeming qualities... whatever... what a bunch of fricken whiners!!!  

QUIT BITCHING AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER!!!  :roll:

Yep gumby take the stance of silence. That will make change happen. I have never seen change without a storm first.  :|  You may not like it, but in order to get things to change you have to talk about the issues.

If you give up, all you become is a pawn :|

Like complaining everyday in posts changes things :roll: .

This isn't the place to make things change Squash, i know you know that, but some of us don't like to read over and over that you and many others here think that us CP's that don't mind having our kids playing for PDL clubs because they thoroughly enjoy playing for them aren't as naive, stupid, mindless and what ever you and the others call us every time a 'PDL' topic gets posted.   PDL peeps here (well, I'll speak for myself only) don't like coming here much when the posts go on and on about how the clubs or leagues we choose to have our kids play for aren't in it for the kids. After 4 years with the same club (PDL), I don't see it that way.

I know this post will fall on deaf ears, but figured I'd post my say anyways. Listen if you like or continue to pounce.

That's a perfectly good opinion, but I believe it does help change things when you are pointing out issues that are happening and should not be.

I'm not calling you or gumby stupid, but you have the right to not read the PDL posts. Typically they say PDL on them. Use self control and none of these posts effect you....it's as simple as that.

If you continue to post for us to shut up, stop whining.....I think the response you'll get is a simple one to figure out. I will continue to post about the things that they constantly do wrong because the simple fact is they continue to think all of us are STUPID. :roll:

Personally I don't consider myself stupid nor do I consider any of you stupid.

[LEFTWINGER]

I AGREE GUMBY,  AS LONG AS YOUR GETTING YOUR MONEYS WORTH. ARE YOU AT EFC? I DON'T KNOW,  THATS WHY I'M ASKING. I THINK CONVERSATION IS GOOD, KNOWLEDGE IS GOOD ESPECIALLY IF I'M PAYING. AND FROM WHAT I'M FINDING OUT IS THESE DOC'S MAKE 50K TO 100K MAYBE EVEN MORE. SO DON'T RUN AWAY WE DO CARE WHAT YOU THINK.

[keepersmom]

All I can say is OUR DOC IS BETTER THAN YOUR DOC!
       
Go PPFC!

[Squash]

All I can say is OUR DOC IS BETTER THAN YOUR DOC!
       
Go PPFC!

If that was true..you'd be in the PDL. MY PDL DOC always trumps you..now sit down and shut up pilgrim!!!!

 :lol:  Actually i think you have a fine DOC

[EWSoccer64]

Our old DOC was ALL POWERFUL.

He had an English Accent.
He had an A liscense.
He was a drinking buddy of Bobbie Howe and Neil Megson.  (though not at the same time)
He could leap PDL Committees with a single bound!

Of course, he never provided much training and his choices for coaches in the club were know-nothing, bootlicking incompetents, but he was part of the "In Crowd".

So he was obviously worth every cent we paid him.

[keepersmom]

All I can say is OUR DOC IS BETTER THAN YOUR DOC!
       
Go PPFC!

If that was true..you'd be in the PDL. MY PDL DOC always trumps you..now sit down and shut up pilgrim!!!!

 :lol:  Actually i think you have a fine DOC

P- petulant
D- despicable
L- aLoof
(sorry had a hard time with L, nothing really fit)   I am not very good at this battering..... :?

[LEFTWINGER]

DO OTHER YOUTH SPORTS HAVE XPRO MAKING 75-100K? SPORTS LIKE YOUTH HOCKEY, BASEBALL, FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL. I HAVE BEEN OUT OF THE LOOP FOR A WHILE. MY LD'S ARE DONE AND NONE OF THIS STUFF WAS GOING ON BACK IN THE DAY.

[extremesoccer]

All I can say is OUR DOC IS BETTER THAN YOUR DOC!
       
Go PPFC!

If that was true..you'd be in the PDL. MY PDL DOC always trumps you..now sit down and shut up pilgrim!!!!

 :lol:  Actually i think you have a fine DOC

P- petulant
D- despicable
L- aLoof
(sorry had a hard time with L, nothing really fit)   I am not very good at this battering..... :?

Parent
Dough
Leaches



 :mrgreen:

[keepersmom]

All I can say is OUR DOC IS BETTER THAN YOUR DOC!
       
Go PPFC!

If that was true..you'd be in the PDL. MY PDL DOC always trumps you..now sit down and shut up pilgrim!!!!

 :lol:  Actually i think you have a fine DOC

P- petulant
D- despicable
L- aLoof
(sorry had a hard time with L, nothing really fit)   I am not very good at this battering..... :?

Parent
Dough
Leaches



 :mrgreen:

See, you are good at the battering.....  I love it!      

P: Parent

P: Participation

F: Fun

C: Champions

[extremesoccer]

All I can say is OUR DOC IS BETTER THAN YOUR DOC!
       
Go PPFC!

If that was true..you'd be in the PDL. MY PDL DOC always trumps you..now sit down and shut up pilgrim!!!!

 :lol:  Actually i think you have a fine DOC

P- petulant
D- despicable
L- aLoof
(sorry had a hard time with L, nothing really fit)   I am not very good at this battering..... :?

Parent
Dough
Leaches



 :mrgreen:

See, you are good at the battering.....  I love it!      

P: Parent

P: Participation

F: Fun

C: Champions

Pre-PDL
Perfect
Futbol
Club

In the future it will be another

PDL
Pathetic
Futbol
Club

Just kidding! :mrgreen:

[EWSoccer64]

All I can say is OUR DOC IS BETTER THAN YOUR DOC!
       
Go PPFC!

If that was true..you'd be in the PDL. MY PDL DOC always trumps you..now sit down and shut up pilgrim!!!!

 :lol:  Actually i think you have a fine DOC

P- petulant
D- despicable
L- aLoof
(sorry had a hard time with L, nothing really fit)   I am not very good at this battering..... :?

I can think of an A-word that fits these guys.....................
 :shock:

[keepersmom]

:shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

Is this site family friendly?

[SoccerFlicks]

This is an interesting conversation.

I am assuming the coaching fees each player is asked to pay goes toward the DOC salary?

The only reason I ask - my boys are playing for two different clubs.

The older, has no monthly coaching fees. I have a feeling the director's salary was worked into the higher club registration fee we paid this year. I don't mind that, just would like to know it upfront.

The younger is asked to pay about $100 per month and I think that goes toward the full time trainer. Another parent and me worked the figures:

roster of say 16 = $1600 per month per team
club of say 7 teams (low ballin) = $11,200 per month
10 month season = $112,000.00 in coaching fees

Plenty o'money. More than likely several folks get a cut of this.

So, for that money, what measures investment worth for that initial $100 per month?

Caliber of training?
Cool equipment?
Playing time vs bench time?
Player confidence, by whose standards?
Winning team or just good soccer?
How much Coach/trainer face time does my kid get?
How many teams take up the coach/trainer's time?

So a few questions come to mind in addition to the ones above -

What type of customer service is involved?
Do I get my money back if I/the kid doesn’t like what happens?
What's the guarantee?
Can I get a background check?
What are the membership rules that I just bought into?


So right now, one boy has monthly coaching fees the other boy does not. So far, the fee-less team has a great record, the team plays really well together, and the parents are given a break with the fees. Awesome, I say.

I am still giving some time for the more spendy boy to see what difference, if any, paying for coaching offers. I don't care for the coaching fees as I think talent is earned not purchased. In earning talent I can, however, understand supporting an excellent coach/trainer if coaching is the coach's livelihood and that coach is not stretched too thin.