Topic: Coach that threatens Violence (Read 55415 times)

breakaway · « **Reply #270 on:** July 27, 2008, 06:23:01 PM »

Quote from: "Madman"

Quote from: "breakaway"
Well it all depends on the crime. If you threaten to kick my hiney, I will probably threaten you back and then dare you to follow through on your threat. If you were the coach, no I wouldn't fire you, but I'd let you know that kickin' a$$es doesn't fly around here, and the next time you threaten to kick somebody's behind, I will follow through on my threat. Then we'd be all good. I wouldn't try and drag your name through the mud over a threat.

That may be an acceptable way to handle it if the issue is limited to an exchange between two adults independent of anyone else and it is in a non-job related situation. However, here you have a coach who is solely responsible for children as young as 9 years old for 90 minutes a practice as much as 5 times a week losing his cool at an old man over seating at a meal! If he can't control his temper under these circumstances how are we to expect he'll be able to control himself with a particularly troublesome [you pick the age]-year old after a long day of practice? Are we being responsible if we keep quiet about this until he physically assaults someone? As a parent and coach I'd expect any action of mine in a public setting to be fair game. Since this occurred at a team-related function while away at a soccer tournament it was job-related, so it is reasonable to expect his employer, Crossfire, to take steps to address the situation. Admittedly, Crossfire isn't required to make those actions public, but it seems in their best interests as a club and a business to let parents (i.e. potential customers) know that they are on top of things. This would be to its benefit but would also benefit the coach in question. Set a punishment, show that he accepts the punishment and serves it willingly, and most people will forgive him this transgression. I will admit I would like to see this particular coach grabbed by the scruff of the neck and shaken until he decides to grow up because he has talent and can be a good teacher. Unfortunately multiple incidents in the past show that he hasn't accepted his role as an adult with the ability to influence young minds. One would hope fatherhood will help him realize what he has and what he stands to lose if he doesn't clean his act up.

Well madman you have shed a different light on things. If this is not the first time that he has made threats, then clearly his boss is not doing the job they were assigned to do. Are any of the parents upset about the incident that took place? Or are they okay with it as long as they're winning?
Has he behaved in this manner towards any children?

Everyone knows that winning coaches become ARROGANT.

An ARROGANT COACH ALWAYS LET"S THEIR ARROGANCE GET IN THE WAY OF THEIR COACHING and that won't keep them on top for long, regardless of the talent they have.

touchline trouble · « **Reply #271 on:** July 27, 2008, 07:18:22 PM »

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ talks to XF

breakaway · « **Reply #272 on:** July 27, 2008, 08:19:37 PM »

Quote from: "touchline trouble"

Quote from: "breakaway"
Quote from: "Madman"
Quote from: "breakaway"
Well it all depends on the crime. If you threaten to kick my hiney, I will probably threaten you back and then dare you to follow through on your threat. If you were the coach, no I wouldn't fire you, but I'd let you know that kickin' a$$es doesn't fly around here, and the next time you threaten to kick somebody's behind, I will follow through on my threat. Then we'd be all good. I wouldn't try and drag your name through the mud over a threat.

That may be an acceptable way to handle it if the issue is limited to an exchange between two adults independent of anyone else and it is in a non-job related situation. However, here you have a coach who is solely responsible for children as young as 9 years old for 90 minutes a practice as much as 5 times a week losing his cool at an old man over seating at a meal! If he can't control his temper under these circumstances how are we to expect he'll be able to control himself with a particularly troublesome [you pick the age]-year old after a long day of practice? Are we being responsible if we keep quiet about this until he physically assaults someone? As a parent and coach I'd expect any action of mine in a public setting to be fair game. Since this occurred at a team-related function while away at a soccer tournament it was job-related, so it is reasonable to expect his employer, Crossfire, to take steps to address the situation. Admittedly, Crossfire isn't required to make those actions public, but it seems in their best interests as a club and a business to let parents (i.e. potential customers) know that they are on top of things. This would be to its benefit but would also benefit the coach in question. Set a punishment, show that he accepts the punishment and serves it willingly, and most people will forgive him this transgression. I will admit I would like to see this particular coach grabbed by the scruff of the neck and shaken until he decides to grow up because he has talent and can be a good teacher. Unfortunately multiple incidents in the past show that he hasn't accepted his role as an adult with the ability to influence young minds. One would hope fatherhood will help him realize what he has and what he stands to lose if he doesn't clean his act up.

Well madman you have shed a different light on things. If this is not the first time that he has made threats, then clearly his boss is not doing the job they were assigned to do. Are any of the parents upset about the incident that took place? Or are they okay with it as long as they're winning?
Has he behaved in this manner towards any children?

Everyone knows that winning coaches become ARROGANT.

An ARROGANT COACH ALWAYS LET"S THEIR ARROGANCE GET IN THE WAY OF THEIR COACHING and that won't keep them on top for long, regardless of the talent they have.
Dearest Breakaway, No I did not know that all winning coaches are arrogant.
In fact you are sadly mistaken. I know of many winning coaches that realize the reason why they have a winning team is a joint effort by players, coach's and supportive parents. That's what I know. That's what most of the soccer community know's. With all due respect (not really) To say that a winning coach becomes arrogant is an extremely stupid statement to make.

Back to Flory's actions, yes there were many upset parents, kids and especially the grandpa. He was left shaken and speechless. Much like the rest of the family and the surrounding guests that were not associated with Crossfire. When teams travel they are representing the team and the club they play for. If that was a 17 year old male or female player they would have probably been sent home or suspended for at least one game if not the rest of the tounament. Not this guy, he was back coaching the next day, probably with a head ache. Crossfire has a players code of contract that each player is expected to sign each year. The club get's a copy of this for every player. I truly believe that a coach should also sign this contract along with his travel guielines for players and him or herself and each parent (customer) should be given a copy along with the coaches own mission statement.

Sorry I should have said most coaches should let their arrogance get in the way. And you are right, coaches should have to sign a coaches player conduct form. I don't disagree there. They have a whole lot of rules set in place in regards to the players but the coaches have no expectations.

SoccerFan90 · « **Reply #273 on:** July 27, 2008, 09:40:33 PM »

Yes Flory has had his temper tantrums against the kids he is suppose to be the leader of. He is a good coach but he just doesn't realize he can not treat kids and adults with this behavior and expect them to have respect for him afterwards. Not only does he lash out he thinks it is fun to take boys to Hooters, and he sees nothing wrong with drinking in front of the boys at restaurants or at the hotels. I blame the parents that allow this to continue and the ones who think is alright to sit around the pool and drink while telling their kids to behave and follow the rules and no drinking. Believe it or not Parents and Coaches we can not tell our kids not to do somehting and expect them to follow the rules if you are doing the exact opposite in front of them. Need a drink? go somewhere where there are no kids, that is the "adult" thing to do. But he always seems to apologize and to most parents that is acceptable because he realized it was wrong in the first place. It really isn't acceptable, what price is worth teaching your kids that this behavior is? This is a problem across many clubs and coaches and maybe it is time for all clubs to recongize what is happening and change some code of conducts for the coaches they employ. And parents be parents and stop letting these clubs dictate to you, you are the ones paying their wages.

Just Me · « **Reply #274 on:** July 28, 2008, 12:57:39 PM »

So true Soccer Fan 90, the parents need to stand up and set the rules not some coach/bully/mental midget that think they are the king of the road.

I know on our team we have told the coach what is acceptable and not acceptable behavior (he did not like it, but he did adjust).

Don't be afraid parents, you have the power and don't give it up or change the rules just cause you are afraid that your DS or DD will not play. Set an example for your kids to stand-up for what is right and not go through life as a mouse and whine that you were miss treated.

EWSoccer64 · « **Reply #275 on:** July 28, 2008, 02:27:02 PM »

Quote from: "SoccerFan90"

Yes Flory has had his temper tantrums against the kids he is suppose to be the leader of. He is a good coach but he just doesn't realize he can not treat kids and adults with this behavior and expect them to have respect for him afterwards. Not only does he lash out he thinks it is fun to take boys to Hooters, and he sees nothing wrong with drinking in front of the boys at restaurants or at the hotels. I blame the parents that allow this to continue and the ones who think is alright to sit around the pool and drink while telling their kids to behave and follow the rules and no drinking. Believe it or not Parents and Coaches we can not tell our kids not to do somehting and expect them to follow the rules if you are doing the exact opposite in front of them. Need a drink? go somewhere where there are no kids, that is the "adult" thing to do. But he always seems to apologize and to most parents that is acceptable because he realized it was wrong in the first place. It really isn't acceptable, what price is worth teaching your kids that this behavior is? This is a problem across many clubs and coaches and maybe it is time for all clubs to recongize what is happening and change some code of conducts for the coaches they employ. And parents be parents and stop letting these clubs dictate to you, you are the ones paying their wages.

Let's not get too Puritan here. If the team is having dinner, and the parents are there, and the parents are having wine or beer or whatever with their dinner, then I see no harm with the coach also having a drink or three. (Not getting drunk, just a few drinks with the rest of the adults). No big deal.

I don't see taking the kids into bars as something that any coach should be doing. Of has the chance to do in this country.

Hooters?
My middle son takes the team (BU-18) there after really big wins. I have no problem with that.

I have never taken my team (BU-17) to Hooters and do not think that I ever would. Different boys, different families, would not be appropriate.

nutsaboutsoccer · « **Reply #276 on:** July 30, 2008, 02:36:51 AM »

Quote from: "truth"

Quote from: "EWSoccer64"

If anyone involved in these clubs is disgusted that the PDL operation and their clubs are being compared with the Adolf the Aryan and his Goons, then GOOD. Perhaps they will actually stop and think about the policies their clubs are creating and enforcing.

Wouldn't that be a good thing???

The disgusting thing is that you equate crimes against humanity to anything that the PDL is doing.

Well said. Even said in jest ... it is quite disgusting. How can you see the PDL and get from there to Adolf Hilter?

How

nutsaboutsoccer · « **Reply #277 on:** July 30, 2008, 02:50:35 AM »

Quote from: "SoccerFan90"

Yes Flory has had his temper tantrums against the kids he is suppose to be the leader of. He is a good coach but he just doesn't realize he can not treat kids and adults with this behavior and expect them to have respect for him afterwards. Not only does he lash out he thinks it is fun to take boys to Hooters, and he sees nothing wrong with drinking in front of the boys at restaurants or at the hotels. I blame the parents that allow this to continue and the ones who think is alright to sit around the pool and drink while telling their kids to behave and follow the rules and no drinking. Believe it or not Parents and Coaches we can not tell our kids not to do somehting and expect them to follow the rules if you are doing the exact opposite in front of them. Need a drink? go somewhere where there are no kids, that is the "adult" thing to do. But he always seems to apologize and to most parents that is acceptable because he realized it was wrong in the first place. It really isn't acceptable, what price is worth teaching your kids that this behavior is? This is a problem across many clubs and coaches and maybe it is time for all clubs to recongize what is happening and change some code of conducts for the coaches they employ. And parents be parents and stop letting these clubs dictate to you, you are the ones paying their wages.

As an independent reader who's interested in facts and can't stand character assassination (there's just one side of the story told here) --> Does somebody actually know the full history of what went on between the parties involved? Is there a previous history between the parties?

Full disclosure -- Over my soccer years I have met the coach talked about on numerous occasions [coached against, watched coach, coached players prev coached by, met socially] ... he likes discipline, has good teams and his players all love him. Parents always say various things about him and the ones who say negatives always have kids on the bench or kids who were dropped.

duffer · « **Reply #278 on:** July 30, 2008, 09:49:27 AM »

Quote from: "nutsaboutsoccer"

Quote from: "SoccerFan90"
Yes Flory has had his temper tantrums against the kids he is suppose to be the leader of. He is a good coach but he just doesn't realize he can not treat kids and adults with this behavior and expect them to have respect for him afterwards. Not only does he lash out he thinks it is fun to take boys to Hooters, and he sees nothing wrong with drinking in front of the boys at restaurants or at the hotels. I blame the parents that allow this to continue and the ones who think is alright to sit around the pool and drink while telling their kids to behave and follow the rules and no drinking. Believe it or not Parents and Coaches we can not tell our kids not to do somehting and expect them to follow the rules if you are doing the exact opposite in front of them. Need a drink? go somewhere where there are no kids, that is the "adult" thing to do. But he always seems to apologize and to most parents that is acceptable because he realized it was wrong in the first place. It really isn't acceptable, what price is worth teaching your kids that this behavior is? This is a problem across many clubs and coaches and maybe it is time for all clubs to recongize what is happening and change some code of conducts for the coaches they employ. And parents be parents and stop letting these clubs dictate to you, you are the ones paying their wages.

As an independent reader who's interested in facts and can't stand character assassination (there's just one side of the story told here) --> Does somebody actually know the full history of what went on between the parties involved? Is there a previous history between the parties?

Full disclosure -- Over my soccer years I have met the coach talked about on numerous occasions [coached against, watched coach, coached players prev coached by, met socially] ... he likes discipline, has good teams and his players all love him. Parents always say various things about him and the ones who say negatives always have kids on the bench or kids who were dropped.

Simple fact here is your talking out your Arss Megson is a know slim ball and you have just discredited your self even more saying hes not a peice of $hit you stupid suckup of an arss hole! Megsons a $hitbage that cheats recruits threatens violance and steals money from kids and parents with his spead to thin to do a good job crap that comes from doing a $hit job in every thing he has done in his life !! Hell if your his best frend he will even hit on you wife or worse! so I,m told

GOOD GUY NO $HITBAG yes

PS nutsac stay off my post you $hitlicker
duffer knows all

yote19 · « **Reply #279 on:** July 30, 2008, 10:00:01 AM »

duffer...I think this latest comments were on the Flory issue over in Hawaii. Maybe you are redirecting the thread back to Megson???

touchline trouble · « **Reply #280 on:** July 30, 2008, 12:42:33 PM »

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$=

touchline trouble · « **Reply #281 on:** July 30, 2008, 12:47:16 PM »

Bad, bad,

duffer · « **Reply #282 on:** August 05, 2008, 09:51:01 AM »

Is megson slipping again is he now banning parents from side lines that act like him Tell me its not so Or is this a rumor or was parent really asked to skip crossfire turney?What can Crossfire say when coach act worse You tell me whos fault it is!

cheese · « **Reply #283 on:** August 05, 2008, 06:41:39 PM »

This is officially now the most viewed thread posted on WPS.

2nd place at 30071 views.

WOW!!!

yote19 · « **Reply #284 on:** August 05, 2008, 06:52:55 PM »

And hardly any response from Crossfire, so must not be an issue. :?

duffer · « **Reply #285 on:** August 05, 2008, 07:08:14 PM »

Quote from: "yote19"

And hardly any response from Crossfire, so must not be an issue. :?

They responded trust me they took Megson in grabed him by his short hairs and said that it Better not happen again or your gone!

So now he just hobbles around after being kicked in the nuzts by duffer poor little $hit puppet

Crossfire has been reduced to a bunch of guys cowering in a corner hopeing it goes away!
LOL now thats a great club!!!

yote19 · « **Reply #286 on:** August 05, 2008, 07:59:43 PM »

How come I foresee it continuing on and on and on.... :lol:

cheese · « **Reply #287 on:** August 05, 2008, 08:17:21 PM »

Quote from: "yote19"

How come I foresee it continuing on and on and on.... :lol:

Because as long as there is a duffer it will.

duffer · « **Reply #288 on:** August 05, 2008, 09:04:56 PM »

Megson can,t even fart with out one of his parents telling that he did ! What a misarable life that $hit clown has made for him self !!
Hell I can tell you this His neck is sore from looking over his shoulder!

He wants to post on here so bad But the club owns that guy now the parent hold all the power on his teams LOL if a couple file complains what the hell will the club do then? Those stupid $hit clowns Batemen James and the like are on the fence to keep there jobs Is just a count down tell therer gone for turning there back on Megsons antics!!

duffer · « **Reply #289 on:** August 06, 2008, 09:41:35 AM »

You gota love there spirit
Crossfire has the largest fees in the state and Are taxing the $hit out of there members to boot

Coffee sales gota buy coffee
Golf turney
Action
Casino night
Sponcer logo Fee
Accadamey
10k run walk
Give money day
Crossfire Challange
Fill brown papersack day
Dunk tank Fundraiser
Speed kick Fundraiser
Give me more cash day
Private training
Camps
Money grab

Have I missed any
its like you stupid parent are there personal cash machiens
And it all helps Pay a guy that
THREATENS VIOLANCE!!! $hit clowns

know nothing · « **Reply #290 on:** August 06, 2008, 09:58:42 AM »

duffer, Sounds like they should have enough for a few scholarships, eh? Maybe even a completely sponsored Academy Team?

Stealth · « **Reply #291 on:** August 06, 2008, 10:44:17 AM »

Quote from: "duffer"

You gota love there spirit
Crossfire has the largest fees in the state and Are taxing the $hit out of there members to boot

Coffee sales gota buy coffee
Golf turney
Action
Casino night
Sponcer logo Fee
Accadamey
10k run walk
Give money day
Crossfire Challange
Fill brown papersack day
Dunk tank Fundraiser
Speed kick Fundraiser
Give me more cash day
Private training
Camps
Money grab

Have I missed any
its like you stupid parent are there personal cash machiens
And it all helps Pay a guy that
THREATENS VIOLANCE!!! $hit clowns

Hey duffer, have you been to the car rental return lots where they continue to repeat over the loudspeakers "Please leave your keys in the car. Please leave your keys in the car." over and over and over again?

I'm thinking Crossfire should install a similar system that says "Please open your wallets before entering the field. Please open your wallets before entering the field." over and over and over and over.

After seeing this list, I will never complain about my team fundraisers again.

ARMAGEDDON · « **Reply #292 on:** August 06, 2008, 01:29:05 PM »

‘Lo and behold……a reckoning is drawing nigh……so it is written so it is done……

-Armageddon

cheese · « **Reply #293 on:** August 06, 2008, 01:33:01 PM »

Quote from: "ARMAGEDDON"

‘Lo and behold……a reckoning is drawing nigh……so it is written so it is done……

-Armageddon

This scares me more then anything :shock:

Mama :oops:

yote19 · « **Reply #294 on:** August 06, 2008, 02:16:30 PM »

Boy Army finally scared me on this post. No clues, no nothing, just the reckoning :shock:

Brat Jr · « **Reply #295 on:** August 06, 2008, 02:28:47 PM »

That makes 3 of us

extremesoccer · « **Reply #296 on:** August 07, 2008, 09:12:31 AM »

deleted :mrgreen:

duffer · « **Reply #297 on:** August 08, 2008, 09:18:58 AM »

How do parents think is OK to send there kid out of the country with a guy like Megson each and every one of these parent should have there head checked for missing brain WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU $hit puppets thinking?I hope they have a no drinking policy in place so your kids arent lost in a drunken stupper!

meluvsoccer · « **Reply #298 on:** August 08, 2008, 09:50:18 AM »

How about giving this one a rest?

Has anyone not done something that was bad?
Have they, then, not been chastised for such a thing?
Was it done publicly or in private so that it might not be something that is totally embarrassing?
I do not know all the facts. I was not there. All I hear is one side of this story.
But, I do think that it has been dealt with. I think that they will probably be watching. I think that I am entirely, wholey, and utterly tired of Megson bashing at this moment.
I don't condone what he did (if he did it). If I was involved personally, I would want assurances. But, WE (the WPS community) have dragged this through the mud, muck, and sewer long enough. Let it be.
If it comes back up, that will be quite a bummer.
But, let's hope that the rantings and ravings of those who kept this up, have helped to change behavior here.

OK?
Please?

juggles · « **Reply #299 on:** August 08, 2008, 11:36:44 AM »

AMEN....ENOUGH ALREADY

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