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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #120 on: April 20, 2017, 11:10:16 AM »

Double rostering with another league is not allowed by the GDA.

I tell you exactly what they will do, they will double roster players.  If you think that all your B team players will slide neatly into the ECNL spots you are mistaken.

Dunno bout that. I suspect everything is going to become advisory if GDA sees the interest in certain markets tank.  The GDA after all is a response to a successful league. It is not filling any need that is not already being met.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #121 on: April 20, 2017, 11:53:46 AM »

Double rostering with another league is not allowed by the GDA.

I tell you exactly what they will do, they will double roster players.  If you think that all your B team players will slide neatly into the ECNL spots you are mistaken.

Dunno bout that. I suspect everything is going to become advisory if GDA sees the interest in certain markets tank.  The GDA after all is a response to a successful league. It is not filling any need that is not already being met.

US Soccer has already shown that they will back down on just about anything if it means actually keeping this GDA league from being stillborn.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #122 on: April 20, 2017, 12:21:51 PM »

Double rostering with another league is not allowed by the GDA.


This is false. They already allow "Developmental Players" from USYSA leagues - e.g. the RCL in Washington. A minor tweak to allow another league.

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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #123 on: April 20, 2017, 01:34:21 PM »

The SoCal clubs in GDA have created their own league just for their 2nd teams. They were going to call it GDA2 but that's since changed. Those clubs are advertising that they will be moving players between their GDA and "GDA2" rosters throughout the year. Seattle United Reign appear to be doing the same thing except that their "2" teams won't play in a "DA2" only league but rather in RCL. This does seem to be another example of US Soccer looking the other way as clubs break the rules of a league that hasn't even started yet...
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #124 on: April 20, 2017, 04:04:07 PM »

You're wrong as usual. Read the regs. Current rules do not allow double rostering. The "developmental players" can only be called up once a year. There is no means allowable within the rules to have players go back and forth between two leagues during a season. Sure, these may change.

Double rostering with another league is not allowed by the GDA.


This is false. They already allow "Developmental Players" from USYSA leagues - e.g. the RCL in Washington. A minor tweak to allow another league.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #125 on: April 20, 2017, 04:18:41 PM »

You're wrong as usual. Read the regs. Current rules do not allow double rostering. The "developmental players" can only be called up once a year. There is no means allowable within the rules to have players go back and forth between two leagues during a season. Sure, these may change.

Double rostering with another league is not allowed by the GDA.


This is false. They already allow "Developmental Players" from USYSA leagues - e.g. the RCL in Washington. A minor tweak to allow another league.
Players from WYS can play on the Reign DA up to 6 games without being rostered on the DA. That's a sizeable fraction of a year.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #126 on: April 20, 2017, 04:23:30 PM »

So you can't be fostered on ECNL and GDA?  I think that's already happening isn't it?
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #127 on: April 20, 2017, 04:30:45 PM »

6/30 games is a "sizeable fraction" in the tripleplay universe.  :)

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Players from WYS can play on the Reign DA up to 6 games without being rostered on the DA. That's a sizeable fraction of a year.
« Last Edit: April 20, 2017, 04:41:50 PM by raddad »
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #128 on: April 20, 2017, 05:06:07 PM »

6/30 games is a "sizeable fraction" in the tripleplay universe.  :)

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Players from WYS can play on the Reign DA up to 6 games without being rostered on the DA. That's a sizeable fraction of a year.
That doesn't even count the "unrostering" possibility
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #129 on: April 20, 2017, 06:33:45 PM »

6/30 games is a "sizeable fraction" in the tripleplay universe.  :)

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Players from WYS can play on the Reign DA up to 6 games without being rostered on the DA. That's a sizeable fraction of a year.

Six games can be two showcases. Enough to get a college look. So yeah, six is enough of a piece to pull them in
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #130 on: April 20, 2017, 06:45:10 PM »

Maybe but that's not the point though. His claim was that the existing rules would allow dual ECNL/GDA rostering under the "development player" clause, which is not the case. Like I said, they could revise them.
 
6/30 games is a "sizeable fraction" in the tripleplay universe.  :)

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Players from WYS can play on the Reign DA up to 6 games without being rostered on the DA. That's a sizeable fraction of a year.

Six games can be two showcases. Enough to get a college look. So yeah, six is enough of a piece to pull them in
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #131 on: April 20, 2017, 10:43:29 PM »

I never made such a claim. I just pointed out that your statement about dual rostering was false
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #132 on: April 21, 2017, 12:22:04 AM »

The rules governing the GDA will be modified to ensure the necessary outcome ... namely that GDA will be the preferred elite league in the US.  Fully expect whatever concessions required to be implemented. The PNW region is going to be a real gutfest because parents in WA, OR and NORCAL have rightfully figured the GDA is a joke and they are not looking to have their daughters be professional footballers, their interest is getting into college.  And ECNL has done that remarkably well.  I'd expect Crossfire to move players across GDA and ECNL to ensure they are not in a stinkin division of the GDA with no serious college coaches showing up for their mismatched games where they Crossfire GDA blasts teams by 5-7 goals ... which is what will happen if things stand as they are now.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #133 on: April 21, 2017, 02:10:08 AM »

LOL so you say that my statement about dual rostering being disallowed is false.

... which means you make the claim that dual rostering is allowed.

Logic was never your strong point.

I never made such a claim. I just pointed out that your statement about dual rostering was false

Maybe but that's not the point though. His claim was that the existing rules would allow dual ECNL/GDA rostering under the "development player" clause, which is not the case. Like I said, they could revise them.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #134 on: April 21, 2017, 03:53:55 AM »

I gave an example of allowable dual rostering that proved your statement false. Not complicated. Of course, honesty has never seemed to be of much importance to you.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #135 on: May 03, 2017, 09:45:43 AM »

Now that tryouts have started for DA and ECNL, where does it look like the girls are going?  Is it apparent yet at Crossfire if the girls are following the prescribed A team goes to DA and B goes to ECNL? Are SRA girls staying put at their club or seeking out other ECNL options? 
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #136 on: May 03, 2017, 10:12:53 AM »

Now that tryouts have started for DA and ECNL, where does it look like the girls are going?  Is it apparent yet at Crossfire if the girls are following the prescribed A team goes to DA and B goes to ECNL? Are SRA girls staying put at their club or seeking out other ECNL options?

This will definitely be interesting to see but has there been enough tryouts yet, especially at 02 and older ages to see how this is going to shape up? Not sure when all the ages are trying out but know quite a few are next week?
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #137 on: May 03, 2017, 12:57:23 PM »

In Portland, ECNL tryouts are this week, Thorns GDA is next week, and everyone else is the week after that (for HS ages) so it'll be a while before we see how it all shakes out. First couple of days of ECNL tryouts at FC Portland have seen increased numbers over last year.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #138 on: May 03, 2017, 01:14:24 PM »

All for one - Howdy!
What type of numbers are you seeing?  I hear a couple of Oregon's are traveling up to WA ECNL too.  It will be interesting to see.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #139 on: May 09, 2017, 09:29:47 AM »

Now that tryouts have started for DA and ECNL, where does it look like the girls are going?  Is it apparent yet at Crossfire if the girls are following the prescribed A team goes to DA and B goes to ECNL? Are SRA girls staying put at their club or seeking out other ECNL options?
It appears that Crossfire is filling its GDA teams with better players from ECNL, or in the case of the younger teams, promoting nearly the entire team. Big tryout numbers for the opening ECNL slots at the older ages.

Bigger GDA tryout numbers at Seattle (120 for 02/01) along with a deja vu coaching change story. Reign poaching another Crossfire coach. Crossfire firing said coach while he still has an end of year to finish. Think these people would have learned how to make a change without screwing kids.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #140 on: May 10, 2017, 08:25:20 AM »

Is SU keeping their ECNL team also?
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #141 on: May 10, 2017, 10:17:54 AM »

Is SU keeping their ECNL team also?
No. It isn't keeping any of its ECNL teams. So basically a lot of SU ECNL players aren't going to make GDA next year so will be back in the RCL. Which isn't necessarily bad for soccerdom, but which will lead to a lot of pissed off parents, I predict.

Curious if there is much movement at WPFC? Are top players moving to GDA? Are SU players looking for slots? 
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #142 on: May 10, 2017, 10:52:10 AM »

Any 2003/2004 girls who may be looking for a better way than low education RCL/DA and want to avoid the DA-ECNL wars, have just over 24 hours to call us.  Our final day of tryouts for Eagleclaw's Advanced Academy is tomorrow, May 11.  There is still time to earn a roster spot and a full-year training scholarship.  Don't get pissed off.  Be grateful for the opportunity to make a move in a positive direction.

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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #143 on: May 10, 2017, 12:54:11 PM »

Not too many changes in the south.  I believe that players/parents looked at the PNW area and saw that girls GDA division is not very strong.  The ECNL PNW conference still has a lot of very good clubs in it.  This is not the case all over the nation but it is for PNW. 
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #144 on: May 10, 2017, 01:01:47 PM »

I think it's actually quite bad for the players affected.

GDA is U14, U15, U16/17, U18/U19. So there will be 46 or so players at U16/17 and U18/19 who are out of ECNL and into the RCL.

While top guns are already committed to their top 25 D1 schools freshman and sophomore year, the vast majority of players will be in the recruiting process until signing day senior year and not being on a national platform is going to hurt them.

No. It isn't keeping any of its ECNL teams. So basically a lot of SU ECNL players aren't going to make GDA next year so will be back in the RCL. Which isn't necessarily bad for soccerdom, but which will lead to a lot of pissed off parents, I predict.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #145 on: May 10, 2017, 03:25:59 PM »

I think it's actually quite bad for the players affected.

GDA is U14, U15, U16/17, U18/U19. So there will be 46 or so players at U16/17 and U18/19 who are out of ECNL and into the RCL.

While top guns are already committed to their top 25 D1 schools freshman and sophomore year, the vast majority of players will be in the recruiting process until signing day senior year and not being on a national platform is going to hurt them.

No. It isn't keeping any of its ECNL teams. So basically a lot of SU ECNL players aren't going to make GDA next year so will be back in the RCL. Which isn't necessarily bad for soccerdom, but which will lead to a lot of pissed off parents, I predict.

@raddad that math is a bit off. Most U19's are graduating, so it isn't 46 ecnl players who had to find new places to play. Closer to 20, and xf ecnl had some spots as most of their best players seem to have gone DA. @English1 the PNW GDA conf will be plenty strong. XF will be good in all age groups; Reign will be as good or better in the younger two ages and competitive in all; the Utah team should be solid; and most of the De Anza players will apparently be at Earthquakes. Not sure how spreading out the top talent over two leagues helps anyone in the short term, but a big share (maybe 1/3 and probably skewed towards the top end of the pool) of this year's ECNL-level players from the region will be spread across the two leagues.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #146 on: May 10, 2017, 03:42:10 PM »

the PNW GDA conf will be plenty strong.

Nope, not close.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #147 on: May 10, 2017, 04:08:14 PM »

Remember SU only had ECNL for a year. So at the older ages these are players who had been RCL all along.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #148 on: May 10, 2017, 07:24:58 PM »

the PNW GDA conf will be plenty strong.

Nope, not close.

If what I said above is correct -- and I'm fairly sure it is -- it will. Not as strong as current ecnl nw division probably, but stronger than next year's ecnl nw division at the top end (with some likely mediocre teams at the low end).
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #149 on: May 10, 2017, 11:33:23 PM »

Southbound, just curious to see what information you might have to support your opinion.....
Reign lost some of their best players to Crossfire DA and ECNL.
Many players did not accept the Reign letters promising the player to be on a DA team without tryouts.
The Reign ECNL standings leave a lot to be desired.
Utah has such a small player pool and will now battle for players against the Avalanche???  Usually last in the conference.
Most of the DeAnza players left for the Earthquakes???  Very exaggerated claim.  Not even close to the truth.
I didn't see you mention anything about the Thorns down south.  They are arguably the 4th best Club in the area.  They are not getting as many players switching from the ECNL teams as they had hoped.
Crossfire had a huge turnout.  Agreed that they should be competitive in all of the ECNL groups.  However, their DA teams will have a hard time finding competition in the NW DA League.
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