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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #91 on: April 13, 2017, 10:20:50 PM »

The list that For the Kids put out is very informative.  Crossfire is the only Club in that group worth looking at.  The Portland Thorns are the 3rd best Club in Oregon.  Looking at the standings in the ECNL the Reign has teams playing in the Showcase Cup.  Arguably the 3rd best club in Washington.  The other NorCal Clubs are in the middle of the pack at best. 
How is this going to be a better system than the ECNL when it appears that the DA are throwing teams together with no talent just to get numbers?  This model of we will build it and they will come is not very well thought out.  How is the travel cost going to be cheaper??
Crossfire might have to have their teams play in the ECNL just to get better competition.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #92 on: April 13, 2017, 10:32:00 PM »

The list that For the Kids put out is very informative.  Crossfire is the only Club in that group worth looking at.  The Portland Thorns are the 3rd best Club in Oregon.  Looking at the standings in the ECNL the Reign has teams playing in the Showcase Cup.  Arguably the 3rd best club in Washington.  The other NorCal Clubs are in the middle of the pack at best. 
How is this going to be a better system than the ECNL when it appears that the DA are throwing teams together with no talent just to get numbers?  This model of we will build it and they will come is not very well thought out.  How is the travel cost going to be cheaper??
Crossfire might have to have their teams play in the ECNL just to get better competition.

GDA teams will have as many as 15 away league games - and a lot of those will be fly-aways in the PNW. Can't see how that will be less expensive than ECNL.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #93 on: April 14, 2017, 12:09:26 AM »

it makes sense. gda is strong in areas where clubs have a stronger link with the national team and many players/parents have this as their goal (rather than college).

so it will be interesting what kind of players gda will draw in the pnw and norcal. the one or three bonafide gnt level players will join, but who else?

if it's just gnt players and a bunch of roster fillers then college recruiting won't need to change much. the top 25 programs who can draw this caliber of player will scout the gnt and gnt pool events (distinct from gda) and ecnl and the rest of the colleges will continue to just scout the ecnl.


In the west, looks like the GDA has secured a decent pool of clubs in SoCal, part of Texas and Colorado. Northern California and the PNW, honestly, looks like an utter train wreck (going by past experience of elite clubs playing in the ECNL) with the exception of Crossfire.  No DeAnza? No Mustangs?  No MVLA?  Are you kidding?  Total disaster.  So, effectively what people feared, splitting of the elite level, is happening.  Ridiculous.
Actually the GDA prominently features college in their materials. The theory is that they will be more exclusive than ECNL so that they don't have to work that hard to get noticed. But that is based on the GDA having the best players, which is far from a sure thing.

The year before ECNL started, every single WA state cup final in those age groups was Crossfire vs WPFC. Those two teams joining the ECNL simply accelerated a process of drawing the best players which had been in place for quite awhile. But GDA is starting with a range of clubs, many with little to no track record of having good teams, and very little else to entice strong players.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #94 on: April 14, 2017, 06:39:55 AM »

From a pure reality check,  the end customer for 99% of the players in elite soccer is that college coach standing on the sideline.

For SoCal or TX/CO matches, they will be standing on the sidelines at GDA.  For PNW (NorCal, NW), they are either going to hedge big time or go to the ECNL matches instead. Once the parents see that, the GDA is not going to get better for these communities, it is going to crater and kids will go to the ECNL.  Then US Soccer will find the GDA is best suited to a few major markets and that's pretty much it.

College women's soccer coaching staffs have a finite staff to do scouting.  In their 100 square mile area, they will attend matches of the elite teams, even the premier teams. They fill in around that with the showcases, whether it be ECNL or GDA or whatever.  They only have so much time. Making them watch garbage games that do not properly show like v like in those matches is not going to be something they support extensively in areas where the matchups are bad.

Winners are SoCal, TX. Losers are 2nd tier markets such as WA/OR where this is going to cause coaches outside those markets to now make decisions whether/how to watch those showcase events.



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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #95 on: April 14, 2017, 08:30:13 PM »

interesting recent development, I hear andres deza is going from deanza to sj earthquakes and taking most of his players with him. still pretty average clubs that were signed up in norcal I have to agree though.

In the west, looks like the GDA has secured a decent pool of clubs in SoCal, part of Texas and Colorado. Northern California and the PNW, honestly, looks like an utter train wreck (going by past experience of elite clubs playing in the ECNL) with the exception of Crossfire.  No DeAnza? No Mustangs?  No MVLA?  Are you kidding?  Total disaster.  So, effectively what people feared, splitting of the elite level, is happening.  Ridiculous.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #96 on: April 14, 2017, 08:54:23 PM »

interesting recent development, I hear andres deza is going from deanza to sj earthquakes and taking most of his players with him. still pretty average clubs that were signed up in norcal I have to agree though.

In the west, looks like the GDA has secured a decent pool of clubs in SoCal, part of Texas and Colorado. Northern California and the PNW, honestly, looks like an utter train wreck (going by past experience of elite clubs playing in the ECNL) with the exception of Crossfire.  No DeAnza? No Mustangs?  No MVLA?  Are you kidding?  Total disaster.  So, effectively what people feared, splitting of the elite level, is happening.  Ridiculous.

Good old Deza...  Yeah, well, he plays the game quite well.  Deza brought in his whole pool of 98's team intact to the ECNL via DeAnza, daughter included.  That's NOT how it is supposed to work but heh, whatever one can get away with, more power to him. Those 98s have now aged out and are either in or headed off to college effective May so Coach Deza is off shopping his other team again. He will probably demand a DoC-level job with them no doubt.  Decent coach but acts like a pimp with his teams.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #97 on: April 18, 2017, 09:15:12 AM »

Press release from the Dallas Sting:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
STING SOCCER ORGANIZATION WILL FOREGO ITS SPOT IN THE DEVELOPMENTAL ACADEMY FOR 2017-18 & FOCUS ON ECNL PLATFORM
Dallas, Texas – April 6, 2017 - Since 1973, Sting Soccer has consistently placed itself amongst the top female clubs in the United States. With 12 USYSA National Championships and 2 ECNL National Championships, this tradition of excellence and history of success remains the cornerstone on which Sting continues to evolve and grow. Sting has always defied the conventional approach from its inception, defying common beliefs about what females were capable of as athletes in its earliest days, to having integral involvement in the development of female soccer platforms in more recent years. The result of this trailblazing mentality is a program that has developed over 50 professional, national, and youth national team and pool players, as well as graduating classes that typically have over 85% of young women move on to further their playing careers at the collegiate level. Our focused goal of creating a strong, complete soccer player, coupled with the instillation of high moral value and character is paramount to Sting realizing success for each young female athlete to excel well beyond their soccer years.
In consideration of our mission and goal, and after careful review, The Sting Soccer Organization has decided to forego its spot in the Developmental Academy for the 2017-18 season. The decision comes after months of due diligence in understanding what our Sting membership truly desires in their developmental path. The journey of a female player is complex and unique – and our membership has expressed the need for flexibility to pursue multiple development paths. The Elite Clubs National League (ECNL) has proven itself to be the premier opportunity for female youth soccer players to be identified, evaluated, recruited, and ultimately offered scholarships to play soccer at the college level. The national event format combined with a high-level conference schedule, will continue to provide Sting players with multiple opportunities throughout the year to showcase their talents in front of college scouts while also growing and developing their game.
Our decision was based on the following key factors:
• Program Goals: For female soccer players, the goal for many of them is to pursue the game at the collegiate level as scholarship athletes. While a small percentage will also play at a national team level, or professionally, the reality is the greater majority will move on to contribute amongst the top college programs across the country. The ECNL platform is proven in providing players with viable opportunities at every single level - college, national teams, or professional ranks.
• Flexibility: The ECNL provides decision-making power to Directors of Coaching and ECNL Coaches in terms of both game and practice schedules. Directors are able to work together on game schedules to ensure optimal timing for their ECNL players. ECNL Coaches can manipulate the training frequency from week to week or month to month in line with high school sport demands, testing periods, holidays, upcoming showcases, national events and other demands pertinent to the youth female soccer player. Given Sting’s structure and size, if players want to train more, they can under the current structure that we have.
• Balance: Of utmost importance to our membership was a balance between academics and athletics and the opportunity to choose a developmental path that is uniquely their own. The ECNL provides players with a greater balance overall. Enabling players to compete at the highest level in their club soccer environment, but also providing flexibility in scheduling to allow players to focus on academics, social events, multiple sports, high school soccer, and other interests they may have. It is our focused goal to create strong young women that realize success both on and off the soccer field - and our membership desires a more balanced approach that encompasses all aspects of development.
• Player Development: The dual age group structure of the Developmental Academy would require condensing player pools from what is currently six teams down to four teams. The reduced player pool size would require cycling elite players in and out of the development platform, going against the core value of the Sting Soccer Club, which is to provide all of our players with the best possible soccer environment throughout their club soccer journey. Furthermore, the ECNL substitution rules ensure players are eligible for meaningful minutes week in and week out. The ECNL also allows for players to cross roster and participate in other competition platforms from week to week, providing player’s a greater opportunity to play in games with ECNL teams or otherwise. Additionally, the ECNL does not mandate a playing system or style of play. Therefore, players are presented with diverse soccer problems from week to
week and have the freedom to see the game in different ways, promoting greater tactical growth and preparation for higher levels of play, particularly at the collegiate level.
• Cost & Travel: One of the primary concerns of Sting players and families centered on increased costs associated with participating in the Developmental Academy and the potential academic consequences of increased travel and missed school throughout the year. The ECNL conference schedule and National Event options provides regional, cost-effective travel solutions for Sting families.
Sting Soccer has had a national impact on player development and collegiate soccer for over 40 years, producing hundreds of Division 1 collegiate players, professionals, national team and youth national members, along with countless National Championship teams. The Sting proprietary curriculum for player development has been designed by our national level staff and Director of Soccer, Kenneth Medina. Medina, one of the premier coaches in youth soccer history has crafted and evolved the Sting training program since joining the club in 2007. With an established administrative infrastructure providing the foundation on which the club operates, Medina will continue to lead Sting through these transitional years in youth soccer, and will remain a huge asset for Sting families, and for the players who wish to see their game evolve to the highest levels.
In consideration of our current program structure and the market in which we compete, we feel it would be very difficult for our club, and really any club, to perform at the highest level in both the DA and ECNL. We are very appreciative of our acceptance into the Developmental Academy by the US Soccer Federation. It is our intention to continue to work closely with the US Soccer Federation in assisting our most elite players to get to the highest level and contribute on the national scene. This decision has come after extensive efforts to understand the type of program and development paths sought by our highest-level players. Sting is known for putting its best foot forward, and we want to commit our talent to a platform that is conducive to the needs and wants of the players that take the field. In consideration of all of these facts, we have determined that competing solely in the ECNL for the 2017-18 season aligns closely with the needs of our members and our mission to promote successful young women on and off the soccer field.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #98 on: April 18, 2017, 04:04:41 PM »

The more and more teams that forego their GDA spots, the more difficult it becomes for the dual GDA/ECNL teams to continue and be competitive. In Socal they may have the depth to field "elite" teams in both leagues, but take our NW dual team, Crossfire. Will they make the GDA their A team? If so, the ECNL team they would field would be essentially the current B team. We already have an idea of how these teams might do, as the B teams sometimes play in RCL div 1 alongside the A teams. The results are ugly... often they don't win a single game. I don't see how Crossfire can send a B team into the conference and not end up bottom of the table and hurting their reputation as an ECNL club for college coaches to want to follow.
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« Reply #99 on: April 18, 2017, 04:45:28 PM »

The more and more teams that forego their GDA spots, the more difficult it becomes for the dual GDA/ECNL teams to continue and be competitive. In Socal they may have the depth to field "elite" teams in both leagues, but take our NW dual team, Crossfire. Will they make the GDA their A team? If so, the ECNL team they would field would be essentially the current B team. We already have an idea of how these teams might do, as the B teams sometimes play in RCL div 1 alongside the A teams. The results are ugly... often they don't win a single game. I don't see how Crossfire can send a B team into the conference and not end up bottom of the table and hurting their reputation as an ECNL club for college coaches to want to follow.

No team in WA, OR or NorCal can field a team in both leagues and be competitive in both.  Its not going to happen.
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« Reply #100 on: April 18, 2017, 07:12:03 PM »

No team in WA, OR or NorCal can field a team in both leagues and be competitive in both.  Its not going to happen.
Bottom line is that Crossfire's share of the PNW elite market is growing. Players know that. I think they will have decent teams in both leagues. But the level of both will be weak compared to the current ECNL.

Seattle is going to have a deservedly bad reputation for screwing its ECNL players, and not providing a path for the youngers.

In some ways, I think WPFC benefits the most. But it's hard to say.
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« Reply #101 on: April 19, 2017, 08:25:11 AM »

If so, the ECNL team they would field would be essentially the current B team. We already have an idea of how these teams might do, as the B teams sometimes play in RCL div 1 alongside the A teams. The results are ugly...
This is wrong on several levels. First, all top Crossfire Boys teams in the RCL are competitive despite having a higher Academy team. Second, girls results have varied. For example, the 95 Crossfire Girls team won State Cup, behind the ECNL team.

Success in the RCL is basically at the whim of where the elite team opt-outs choose to play. People who want to play on an elite team go to Crossfire. They eventually get called up, and the teams they used to played for are outmanned in the RCL. So it's tough for an older age Crossfire girls team to do well in the RCL, and that will continue to be the case when they have more elite slots by adding GDA. But the players who want to be in the elite leagues don't have much choice. They go where the slots are.
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« Reply #102 on: April 19, 2017, 08:50:18 AM »

No actually the Crossfire B04A team which plays directly under the U12DA team is not competitive with RCL D1 teams. That's why they play in RCL D2.

Your 4+ year old anecdotal single data point on the 95 Crossfire girls team is hardly relevant to today's soccer environment in the NW.

This is wrong on several levels. First, all top Crossfire Boys teams in the RCL are competitive despite having a higher Academy team. Second, girls results have varied. For example, the 95 Crossfire Girls team won State Cup, behind the ECNL team.
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« Reply #103 on: April 19, 2017, 09:37:18 AM »

No actually the Crossfire B04A team which plays directly under the U12DA team is not competitive with RCL D1 teams. That's why they play in RCL D2.

Your 4+ year old anecdotal single data point on the 95 Crossfire girls team is hardly relevant to today's soccer environment in the NW.

This is wrong on several levels. First, all top Crossfire Boys teams in the RCL are competitive despite having a higher Academy team. Second, girls results have varied. For example, the 95 Crossfire Girls team won State Cup, behind the ECNL team.
I was referring to HS ages, not kiddie soccer.

If you don't like going back 3 years, look at the GU14 standings. ECNL teams hold 3 of the 4 top spots, Crossfire in first. Crossfire's second team (called "A") is the 4th best non-ECNL team. That's fairly typical for that age. But over time, the A team will promote its best players, whereas another club like PAC or EFC will be a magnet for other clubs' top players (who have decided against ECNL but want to win in the RCL, and which do showcases). So most of the Crossfire teams you see down in the standings at the oldest ages were once competitive, even though they were behind an ECNL team at the time.

Crossfire isn't going to hold back players to win in the RCL. Whereas a PAC or Eastside will use every scrap of leverage they have to hold onto those players. They need to, because those are their highest teams, which rightly or wrongly establish the club's reputation.

Interestingly, at the oldest GDA age group next year (99-00) many of the top RCL players are at EFC. (I.e they are better than the ECNL players at Seattle) I doubt they will join GDA, even though EFC is supposedly a Reign partner.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #104 on: April 19, 2017, 11:36:49 AM »

Crossfire do have a lot of good teams but players always getting called up is just not true at all.  We have seen several academy players leave both the Sounders and Crossfire for lack of playing.  Let's face it, the ECNL and academy teams have some practice buddies.  It's great that those players are getting a great training environment but if you are roster #20 on a team you are getting zero exposure to College. 
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« Reply #105 on: April 19, 2017, 12:46:10 PM »

Crossfire do have a lot of good teams but players always getting called up is just not true at all.  We have seen several academy players leave both the Sounders and Crossfire for lack of playing.  Let's face it, the ECNL and academy teams have some practice buddies.  It's great that those players are getting a great training environment but if you are roster #20 on a team you are getting zero exposure to College.
Not sure what you mean by exposure, but bench players on Xfire ECNL all move on to college if they want to. For that matter, it's true of the A team too. Of course, not all "college" is the same level.

And the number of call-ups isn't high, but it is high enough to open up a gap with the top RCL teams who are recruiting top players from other clubs.

DA has a bad reputation for playing time. ECNL much better. Remains to be seen what GDA will do. They are talking smaller rosters which will help. 
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« Reply #106 on: April 19, 2017, 02:31:03 PM »

The thing I scratch my head about is whether the fact certain clubs now are in the ECNL or GDA is more a reflection of the energy of the club.  Comparatively speaking, I'm hearing less and less about EFC, WA RUSH and of course the SURF club, PAC is potentially sliding into that grouping if they do not show some vision shortly.  Its a bit off topic but I wonder if certain clubs are where they are because they do the extra stuff to stay ahead of the group. And people go there as a result.
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« Reply #107 on: April 19, 2017, 06:15:04 PM »

You missed my point entirely, which is that when Crossfire adds another level above ECNL next year (GDA), their current A team becomes the new ECNL team and they will not be competitive with other ECNL teams. The data you yourself just cited shows this.

No actually the Crossfire B04A team which plays directly under the U12DA team is not competitive with RCL D1 teams. That's why they play in RCL D2.

Your 4+ year old anecdotal single data point on the 95 Crossfire girls team is hardly relevant to today's soccer environment in the NW.

This is wrong on several levels. First, all top Crossfire Boys teams in the RCL are competitive despite having a higher Academy team. Second, girls results have varied. For example, the 95 Crossfire Girls team won State Cup, behind the ECNL team.
I was referring to HS ages, not kiddie soccer.

If you don't like going back 3 years, look at the GU14 standings. ECNL teams hold 3 of the 4 top spots, Crossfire in first. Crossfire's second team (called "A") is the 4th best non-ECNL team. That's fairly typical for that age. But over time, the A team will promote its best players, whereas another club like PAC or EFC will be a magnet for other clubs' top players (who have decided against ECNL but want to win in the RCL, and which do showcases). So most of the Crossfire teams you see down in the standings at the oldest ages were once competitive, even though they were behind an ECNL team at the time.

Crossfire isn't going to hold back players to win in the RCL. Whereas a PAC or Eastside will use every scrap of leverage they have to hold onto those players. They need to, because those are their highest teams, which rightly or wrongly establish the club's reputation.

Interestingly, at the oldest GDA age group next year (99-00) many of the top RCL players are at EFC. (I.e they are better than the ECNL players at Seattle) I doubt they will join GDA, even though EFC is supposedly a Reign partner.
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« Reply #108 on: April 19, 2017, 06:51:33 PM »

You're kidding yourself!
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« Reply #109 on: April 19, 2017, 07:43:39 PM »

You missed my point entirely, which is that when Crossfire adds another level above ECNL next year (GDA), their current A team becomes the new ECNL team and they will not be competitive with other ECNL teams. The data you yourself just cited shows this.

I wouldn't be so sure that Xfire's GDA teams will be a level above their ECNL teams. I suspect both teams will be fairly close, or perhaps the ECNL teams could be stronger in some age groups, as I'm hearing that many parents/kids on current ECNL teams aren't at all interested in the GDA "experience". Especially at the older age groups this coming year, I would expect to see the ECNL teams being a lot stronger than their GDA counterparts. Will they be strong enough that Xfire can continue to get top 10 results nationally and continue to be allowed by ECNL to have teams in both leagues? That is somewhat doubtful.
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« Reply #110 on: April 19, 2017, 09:31:13 PM »

You missed my point entirely, which is that when Crossfire adds another level above ECNL next year (GDA), their current A team becomes the new ECNL team and they will not be competitive with other ECNL teams. The data you yourself just cited shows this.

I wouldn't be so sure that Xfire's GDA teams will be a level above their ECNL teams. I suspect both teams will be fairly close, or perhaps the ECNL teams could be stronger in some age groups, as I'm hearing that many parents/kids on current ECNL teams aren't at all interested in the GDA "experience". Especially at the older age groups this coming year, I would expect to see the ECNL teams being a lot stronger than their GDA counterparts. Will they be strong enough that Xfire can continue to get top 10 results nationally and continue to be allowed by ECNL to have teams in both leagues? That is somewhat doubtful.

Once the parents see they are playing the weak sisters of the Pacific NW and NorCal, there is no way they will stick with it.  Crossfire is not going to be able to hold two teams competitive at that level cause the GDA is gonna blow in their bracket and there just is not that deep of bench at Crossfire. Getting onto a college team and being useful to the team is quite different.  Plus now EFC has some level of credibility to keep the other Eastside girls and the few ringers that periodically pop from Seattle.

No, the mighty Crossfire is not going to be able to field competitive teams in both ECNL and GDA unless ECNL falls to the RCL level which it appears it will not in the PNW/NorCal division.

Bernie's days of gravy on the girls are over.  Instead of 2 elite teams in W. WA there are now going to be at least four.  So he's gonna take some hit if nothing more than when his coaches act like dicks the parents have alternatives.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #111 on: April 20, 2017, 12:34:42 AM »

The total number of "elite" slots in HS is roughly the same as this year, but Crossfire will have more of them. Depending where the best players go (my guess is they stay ECNL for awhile) either GDA or ECNL could be strong. But the others won't be any weaker than the region's other "elite" teams.

So they lose to the top clubs who are dropping GDA, but do just fine against the vast majority. There has always been a spread in the ECNL and that has gotten much worse with this year's expansion.

And don't forget that Crossfire's subsidy of GDA gives them something that other clubs do not have on the girls' side. That could expand the club's draw. Crossfire does well because GDA rosters are small. The same gives Seattle United a black eye. They are losing lots of slots and "gaining" an affiliation with a flaky "pro" club that doesn't know squat.

WPFC does well because it moves up the ECNL pecking order, apparently without ECNL as a league dropping much on the eliteness scale.

Interesting that there don't seem to be any top clubs dropping ECNL, but several dropping GDA. And then you have clubs like EFC who had a chance to have their own GDA team but declined. Across the board that is a vote of no confidence if you ask me.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #112 on: April 20, 2017, 12:53:30 AM »

Raddad, you really need remedial math. The top GDA age group is inconsequential. So Crossfire really only need 18 players in 2 years, and are offering a fully funded (if you believe posts here) program to get them. Do you think all those newly teamless ECNL players at Seattle United are going to cheerfully accept slots on Seattle U's RCL teams? Think again. My guess is that at each age group there will be teamfuls of kids vying for those 9 Crossfire slots. Crossfire isn't going to have to rely on players from their A team.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #113 on: April 20, 2017, 01:09:53 AM »

there's obviously more spots if Crossfire is adding GDA (18 players at U14, 18 at U15, 18 at U16/17, 18 at U18/19). that is a significant number of additional players.

SU replaces ECNL with GDA and GDA2, essentially the same number of elite players.

no changes in the other big clubs.

how are there the same number of elite spots? talk about remedial math.

Raddad, you really need remedial math. The top GDA age group is inconsequential. So Crossfire really only need 18 players in 2 years, and are offering a fully funded (if you believe posts here) program to get them. Do you think all those newly teamless ECNL players at Seattle United are going to cheerfully accept slots on Seattle U's RCL teams? Think again. My guess is that at each age group there will be teamfuls of kids vying for those 9 Crossfire slots. Crossfire isn't going to have to rely on players from their A team.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #114 on: April 20, 2017, 07:34:39 AM »

there's obviously more spots if Crossfire is adding GDA (18 players at U14, 18 at U15, 18 at U16/17, 18 at U18/19). that is a significant number of additional players.

SU replaces ECNL with GDA and GDA2, essentially the same number of elite players.

no changes in the other big clubs.

how are there the same number of elite spots? talk about remedial math.

Raddad, you really need remedial math. The top GDA age group is inconsequential. So Crossfire really only need 18 players in 2 years, and are offering a fully funded (if you believe posts here) program to get them. Do you think all those newly teamless ECNL players at Seattle United are going to cheerfully accept slots on Seattle U's RCL teams? Think again. My guess is that at each age group there will be teamfuls of kids vying for those 9 Crossfire slots. Crossfire isn't going to have to rely on players from their A team.
"GDA2" doesn't exist. (If you are going to parrot Reign propaganda, at least do it correctly) And the "Academy 2" teams aren't perceived by anyone (but you) as "elite". They are just slightly inferior and relabeled version of the regular RCL "A" teams. (Instead of going to showcases at times that make sense for the team, they go to "festivals" at the convenience of GDA bureaucracy)

So basically Seattle is replacing a bigger elite program with a smaller one, and Crossfire is adding a smaller one. The players go to where the slots are. The details (will GDA be ahead of or behind ECNL?, will players prefer Reign to Crossfire?) are as yet unknown. But your ludicrous argument is that no one will want to play in ECNL and that is a problem because many of the nation's strongest clubs with options to play in both ECNL and GDA, are selecting ECNL? If ECNL is elite enough for Sting and deAnza, I think it will qualify as elite enough for players who want to upgrade from their RCL "A" team. Sheesh.

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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #115 on: April 20, 2017, 07:56:52 AM »

You missed my point entirely, which is that when Crossfire adds another level above ECNL next year (GDA), their current A team becomes the new ECNL team and they will not be competitive with other ECNL teams. The data you yourself just cited shows this.

I wouldn't be so sure that Xfire's GDA teams will be a level above their ECNL teams. I suspect both teams will be fairly close, or perhaps the ECNL teams could be stronger in some age groups, as I'm hearing that many parents/kids on current ECNL teams aren't at all interested in the GDA "experience". Especially at the older age groups this coming year, I would expect to see the ECNL teams being a lot stronger than their GDA counterparts. Will they be strong enough that Xfire can continue to get top 10 results nationally and continue to be allowed by ECNL to have teams in both leagues? That is somewhat doubtful.
Good points. Crossfire's biggest risk (and the region's really) is that somewhere down the line ECNL makes clubs drop GDA.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #116 on: April 20, 2017, 08:21:07 AM »

The thing I scratch my head about is whether the fact certain clubs now are in the ECNL or GDA is more a reflection of the energy of the club.  Comparatively speaking, I'm hearing less and less about EFC, WA RUSH and of course the SURF club, PAC is potentially sliding into that grouping if they do not show some vision shortly.  Its a bit off topic but I wonder if certain clubs are where they are because they do the extra stuff to stay ahead of the group. And people go there as a result.
Not sure about your perceptions. I just looked at the RCL standings for 01 and 02, U16 and U15. None of the so-called "elite" clubs according to their ECNL or GDA affiliation (Seattle United, Eastside, WPFC, and Crossfire) have a team above 0.500 in those age groups. So the top RCL players/coaches are at other clubs. Does the newly fragmented elite world attract those players? My guess is that the Crossfire subsidy might appeal to a few, but otherwise not.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #117 on: April 20, 2017, 09:10:51 AM »

I tell you exactly what they will do, they will double roster players.  If you think that all your B team players will slide neatly into the ECNL spots you are mistaken.
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« Reply #118 on: April 20, 2017, 09:33:57 AM »

I tell you exactly what they will do, they will double roster players.  If you think that all your B team players will slide neatly into the ECNL spots you are mistaken.
I wonder what the minimum roster for GDA is? Could Crossfire roster (and subsidize) 12 (6 per year) and then fill in with ECNL guests?

Raddad as usual on the girls side has it completely wrong. The difficulty won't be in getting players and keeping them happy playing soccer - Crossfire has decades of success at that. The real challenge will be walking a fine line between two hostile bureaucracies.
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Re: US Soccer Girls DA - More info now available
« Reply #119 on: April 20, 2017, 09:44:12 AM »

Double rostering with another league is not allowed by the GDA.

I tell you exactly what they will do, they will double roster players.  If you think that all your B team players will slide neatly into the ECNL spots you are mistaken.
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