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WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« on: December 16, 2016, 05:28:27 AM »

Posted on the Oregon forums. Any truth to this?


Memorandum
TO: State Presidents, State Associations, & Executive Directors/CEO’s
FR: Board of Directors of US Youth Soccer
DATE: December 15, 2016
SUBJ: Washington Youth Soccer Notice of Withdrawal from US Youth Soccer __________________________________________________ ______________________
The purpose of this memo is to notify you of the Board’s decision to accept Washington Youth Soccer’s written notice to withdraw from US Youth Soccer and pursue sole registration with U.S. Soccer.

In a memo sent to US Youth Soccer dated November 21, 2016, the Executive Director of WYSA advised that their Board had directed staff to begin the process of sole registration with the Federation “as soon as possible.” Upon receipt of the memo, the Chair, Vice Chair, Region IV Chair and CEO of US Youth Soccer all reached out to the Executive Director asking to meet and resolve their issues. During those conversations, it was confirmed that this transition was happening and could occur as “early as tomorrow or as late as next year.”

We value Washington Youth Soccer’s long-standing membership with US Youth Soccer, but are profoundly disappointed by the unprecedented action taken by their Board to unilaterally leave the Association without forewarning or consultation. They made the choice to leave US Youth Soccer without giving us the opportunity to address their issues or propose any solutions conducive to a favorable outcome.

Given the uncertainty surrounding when WYSA intends to leave, our Board took the following actions to protect our players and events, which include the following:

1. Formally accept WYSA’s resignation from US Youth Soccer effective as of January 1, 2017.

2. RescindtheofferforWYSAtohostthe2017USYouthSoccer Regional Championships in June 2017.

3. Revoke from WYSA any and all benefits associated with membership to US Youth Soccer, including access to programs and competitions, (i.e., National and Regional Presidents Cups, the National Championship Series, Regional and National Leagues and ODP).

4. Explore various other contingencies, which include taking steps to find a replacement organization in the State of Washington.

US Youth Soccer will continue to honor its obligations to the players residing in the State of Washington who are registered for the current (2016 - 2017) seasonal year. Those youth players will be eligible to continue to participate in our events, but the logistics and administration will be handled through the national office until such time as a replacement state association can been named.
We deeply regret the decision made by WYSA to leave US Youth Soccer, but were left with no alternative other than to accept their notice. The consequence of WYSA’s action, and the manner in which it was taken, not only threatens their 90,000 registered players, but undermines US Youth Soccer nationally. The future success of US Youth Soccer depends on the ability to attract and keep our members. Therefore, we are mindful that this situation may have caused unnecessary unrest.
In the next few weeks, we anticipate having the opportunity to communicate more information regarding this matter, along with action steps US Youth Soccer will take to assist our states in growing the game and growing stronger together. As always, we are ready to work in partnership with our members.
Looking forward to seeing everyone in Los Angeles. If you have any questions in the interim, please do not hesitate to call the national office.
Sincerely,
__________________________ Jesse Harrell
US Youth Soccer Chair
___________________________ Christopher Moore
US Youth Soccer CEO
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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2016, 07:40:47 AM »

who feels like doing some investigative journalism?

If you have any questions in the interim, please do not hesitate to call the national office.
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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2016, 07:44:17 AM »

This is very strange... my hunch is the Sounders are involved somewhere in the Decision from WYS. Seems too much of a coincidence with the Crossfire PDL announcement.

Only time will tell.
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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2016, 08:09:33 AM »

This is very strange... my hunch is the Sounders are involved somewhere in the Decision from WYS. Seems too much of a coincidence with the Crossfire PDL announcement.

Only time will tell.

Possibly.  I cannot see TF unilaterally making a decision to vacate an organization that brings in the income to pay his salary without a plan B.  However, one cannot see how the Sounders would want to get involved in this sort of mess. US Youth Soccer will not miss a beat replacing WYS with some other entity and give the current reputation of WYS amongst member associations, few if any would change their bylaws to affiliate with anywhere TF is going. So there must be money TF is moving to which raises the question whether he / WYS is moving along with the unhappy RCL members to a new pasture.  IMO, that model is suspect given the RC's forfeit what they love which is their geographic monopolies and the captive player pool of future members via the member associations.   If true, this would demonstrate WYS totally lost its way post-charter rewrite to the point where it does not even service the non-premier groups.  I could see TF doing that but the WYS BoD? To me it still sounds very counter to logic on many levels.
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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2016, 08:32:59 AM »

Anyone know what exactly were the issues brought up in the November 21 memo?  I've seen speculation on the forum but nothing more.  Was there a memo sent out to associations after (or before) Nov 21?
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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2016, 08:53:19 AM »


Curious how the logistics for state cups that start in early January will be handled by USY, given that currently all the logistics are on the WYS web site. I sure hope the kids don't pay the cost for soccer politics. 
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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2016, 08:58:58 AM »


Curious how the logistics for state cups that start in early January will be handled by USY, given that currently all the logistics are on the WYS web site. I sure hope the kids don't pay the cost for soccer politics.

My guess is if state association removal is accepted, USYS accepts responsibility ... which translates into passing the hat amongst the resources available to the member associations in WA to run them (and perhaps bill WYS or USYS) until a replacement is found. There is no other practical solution. 
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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2016, 10:01:31 PM »

https://usys-assets.ae-admin.com/assets/909/15/Open%20Letter%20to%20Membership.pdf

For those who are curious, a Nov 19 email is on page 3 of the link above.  It is a six line email. The nov 21 memo is not there however.
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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2016, 02:04:48 PM »

https://usys-assets.ae-admin.com/assets/909/15/Open%20Letter%20to%20Membership.pdf

For those who are curious, a Nov 19 email is on page 3 of the link above.  It is a six line email. The nov 21 memo is not there however.

It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that Terrible Terry would publish lies but the email he sent clearly states they have instructed staff to move forward in bypassing USYS...

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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2016, 03:38:48 PM »

More info on WYS issues in a Soccer America article. It doesn't mention a Nov 21 memo - does mention a Nov 30 letter.

http://www.socceramerica.com/article/71667/a-major-schism-us-youth-soccer-strikes-back-at.html

TO MODERATOR: Can we consolidate the two discussion strings on this topic?
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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2016, 01:18:02 PM »


By all means, let's get lawyers involved and spend more money.
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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2016, 01:08:14 PM »

So let me get this straight....
The leader of WYS goes out on his own and makes idiotic comments.
Leader doesn't consult with all of his constituents.  (Clubs, DOC's, Coaches, Players and Parents)
USYS calls leader out and tells him to take a hike.
WYS doesn't have a league to play in next year because of idiotic comments and threats.
Leader of WYS doesn't have a back up plan in place.
Only Academy age teams can play next year under current format.
DOC's coaches parents and players all suffer.
Now leader wants to make this a legal issue and spend more money blaming someone else.
All of this probably could be resolved by his resignation and apology from members and new leadership allowing WYS to enter back into league.
 :drinks:

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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2016, 02:38:04 PM »

But it's all about the kids right?
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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2016, 05:30:48 PM »

So let me get this straight....
The leader of WYS goes out on his own and makes idiotic comments.
Leader doesn't consult with all of his constituents.  (Clubs, DOC's, Coaches, Players and Parents)
USYS calls leader out and tells him to take a hike.
WYS doesn't have a league to play in next year because of idiotic comments and threats.
Leader of WYS doesn't have a back up plan in place.
Only Academy age teams can play next year under current format.
DOC's coaches parents and players all suffer.
Now leader wants to make this a legal issue and spend more money blaming someone else.
All of this probably could be resolved by his resignation and apology from members and new leadership allowing WYS to enter back into league.
 :drinks:
As a matter of principle this should be taken to court. The idea that Washington youth soccer, having done nothing wrong, should be punished by corrupt USYS leadership is ridiculous. However some of the so-called "punishment" will be a plus, saving Washingtonians millions of dollars by keeping them out of various USYS boondoggles. Of course we could have simply opted out, which would have been preferable.

I never understand the logic that it's better to lose your rights than hire a lawyer. Rights are usually more important than money!
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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2016, 06:03:01 PM »

TP -

I don't think you are paying attention. There is no evidence that TF acted solo. The email from WYS to USSF notes says that the WYS board of directors told staff to pursue registering directly with USSF and to leave USYS. We don't have the WYS memo and letter from Nov 21 and Nov 30 which presumably were signed by the WYS CEO. It is easy to put this at the feet of TF, but others on the board had to have supported this action in order for it to have passed a vote. Pity that meeting minutes are not available to WYS membership.

What we can infer from the email and two memos that we do have is that WYS informed USYS that it was leaving USYS without giving USYS a date-specific for the departure. USYS then set a date of Jan 1.

We don't have enough information to conclude who did what wrong. However, we do seem to have hints that the two associations aren't communicating well or trying to problem solve in a way that doesn't impact players. Not to mention that folks in other states knew about this spat before most in Washington did - like last month.

Lawyers will only make this bad situation worse IMHO because litigation is a binary deal. Someone wins. Someone loses. The legal system isn't good creating compromises or agreements in which each party gives some and gets some. Mediation might work, but I don't think the egos involved would give it an honest go. Lawyers will only require that the two associations throw away more money that would be better spent supporting our players and coaches. Have you ever faced TF in a contested legal fight? It is a truly ugly proposition.

If I were the PSPL, I would be crafting a marketing proposal! Is Washington Cup now the only "top" state cup that offers access to a national championship now? What about the PSPL Academy since ODP/EDP will no longer be available?
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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2016, 08:29:40 PM »

TP -

I don't think you are paying attention. There is no evidence that TF acted solo. The email from WYS to USSF notes says that the WYS board of directors told staff to pursue registering directly with USSF and to leave USYS. We don't have the WYS memo and letter from Nov 21 and Nov 30 which presumably were signed by the WYS CEO. It is easy to put this at the feet of TF, but others on the board had to have supported this action in order for it to have passed a vote. Pity that meeting minutes are not available to WYS membership.

What we can infer from the email and two memos that we do have is that WYS informed USYS that it was leaving USYS without giving USYS a date-specific for the departure. USYS then set a date of Jan 1.

We don't have enough information to conclude who did what wrong. However, we do seem to have hints that the two associations aren't communicating well or trying to problem solve in a way that doesn't impact players. Not to mention that folks in other states knew about this spat before most in Washington did - like last month.

Lawyers will only make this bad situation worse IMHO because litigation is a binary deal. Someone wins. Someone loses. The legal system isn't good creating compromises or agreements in which each party gives some and gets some. Mediation might work, but I don't think the egos involved would give it an honest go. Lawyers will only require that the two associations throw away more money that would be better spent supporting our players and coaches. Have you ever faced TF in a contested legal fight? It is a truly ugly proposition.


You seem to be confused. We already have a situation where programs like the DA are run outside of  USYS. These are all over the country, in dozens of state associations. It is certainly appropriate for Washington or any state to explore expanding this concept, in order to provide better service to state players. The proposals should be debated on their merits.

What we have instead is a childish USYS "leadership" behaving petulantly and illegally. You can't renege on commitments just because you're uncomfortable with someone looking into your corruption, or looking into alternatives to your managerial incompetence.

This is a case where we just might need lawyers using the court system to determine a clear loser - the USYS. In the long run, that benefits all soccer players everywhere. And if you believe that the USYS has important offerings that Washington kids can't live without, you are deranged. Believe me, they will survive.

This is not to say I am a fan of TF, or that I even agree with the merits of his proposals (if it includes the Sounders, I am skeptical). But, given a choice between "right" and "wrong", I'll take "right" any day. Sad that so few see this.
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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2016, 08:51:03 PM »

TP, so far out of touch he cannot even discern anything meaningful. Come back when you know what's going on. Big bad USYS. Meanies.  Gimme a break
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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2016, 09:43:47 PM »

TP, so far out of touch he cannot even discern anything meaningful. Come back when you know what's going on. Big bad USYS. Meanies.  Gimme a break

Exactly.....

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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2016, 10:01:15 PM »

If I were the PSPL, I would be crafting a marketing proposal! Is Washington Cup now the only "top" state cup that offers access to a national championship now? What about the PSPL Academy since ODP/EDP will no longer be available?

Now that's funny stuff right there. The PSPL is a twin of WYS, no membership input, no membership elected board, top heavy...The only way the PSPL programs become relevant is when the members can have a say. The top clubs won't settle for it. Sadly, the PSPL board and WYS board behave as one and the same.
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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2016, 10:48:14 PM »

If I were the PSPL, I would be crafting a marketing proposal! Is Washington Cup now the only "top" state cup that offers access to a national championship now? What about the PSPL Academy since ODP/EDP will no longer be available?

Now that's funny stuff right there. The PSPL is a twin of WYS, no membership input, no membership elected board, top heavy...The only way the PSPL programs become relevant is when the members can have a say. The top clubs won't settle for it. Sadly, the PSPL board and WYS board behave as one and the same.
Neither USYS or US Club have any competitions with access to any meaningful "national championship". Having a pay-to-play event and calling it a "championship" doesn't make it one. It's just another way to separate parents from their money. 
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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2016, 10:59:36 PM »

I actually agree with TP on this. not sure what TF's motivation was, but I'm having a hard time figuring out a selfish one. I mean he's already making more than the CEO of USYS lol. I don't see why he would rock the boat with USYS unless he's really not satisfied with something. maybe he just wants better for WYS. I don't know.

sure it's not nice to try and go around USYS, but it's certainly within a member organization's rights to evaluate all options. If they're a member in good standing none of that should threaten their membership. I think it's fair to say that USYS' response was premature and frankly childish. 


You seem to be confused. We already have a situation where programs like the DA are run outside of  USYS. These are all over the country, in dozens of state associations. It is certainly appropriate for Washington or any state to explore expanding this concept, in order to provide better service to state players. The proposals should be debated on their merits.

What we have instead is a childish USYS "leadership" behaving petulantly and illegally. You can't renege on commitments just because you're uncomfortable with someone looking into your corruption, or looking into alternatives to your managerial incompetence.

This is a case where we just might need lawyers using the court system to determine a clear loser - the USYS. In the long run, that benefits all soccer players everywhere. And if you believe that the USYS has important offerings that Washington kids can't live without, you are deranged. Believe me, they will survive.

This is not to say I am a fan of TF, or that I even agree with the merits of his proposals (if it includes the Sounders, I am skeptical). But, given a choice between "right" and "wrong", I'll take "right" any day. Sad that so few see this.
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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2016, 01:23:00 PM »

If I were the PSPL, I would be crafting a marketing proposal! Is Washington Cup now the only "top" state cup that offers access to a national championship now? What about the PSPL Academy since ODP/EDP will no longer be available?

Now that's funny stuff right there. The PSPL is a twin of WYS, no membership input, no membership elected board, top heavy...The only way the PSPL programs become relevant is when the members can have a say. The top clubs won't settle for it. Sadly, the PSPL board and WYS board behave as one and the same.

We disagree that PSPL is a twin of WYS.  PSPL is just a league.  That's it.  OK, it hosts a number of leagues/tournaments, but in the end its just a league.  Its a vendor to clubs who want their teams to play in a league.  PSPL does not operate with any real or assumed mandate that allows it to carve up and assign territory to specific clubs, nor does it control or interfere with the internal governance of its customer clubs.  WYS has heavy requirements for membership that include a requirement of being a 501(c)(3) and that the member club agree to subordinate their governing documents (Articles of Incorporation, bylaws, etc) to the governing documents of WYS.  Any amendment in WYS governance becomes binding on member clubs.  Moreover, WYS closes its leagues and makes them available only to member clubs.  PSPL does not do any of those things.  PSPL is by no means perfect and needs to pay more attention to its customers (aka clubs), but its current relationship with member clubs is sensible, non-intrusive and leaves ALL player development issues to the clubs, where they belong. 

For purposes of league play, we are happy to provide input to PSPL as any customer would provide input to a vendor.  We do not need the PSPL to have a member-elected board and we do not need to interfere with PSPL's internal structure.  If PSPL is top heavy, that is their problem to solve, if it is a problem.  If PSPL ceases to be a quality vendor, clubs can vote with their feet without penalty or retribution.  The idea that "top" clubs don't like the PSPL's setup is mainly because those clubs rely on WYS to protect their geographic monopolies (aka source of revenue.) 

TF's stated motives toward a flatter youth soccer system makes sense to us, but only if what comes next has none of the intrusive, closed and monopolistic aspects WYS currently has. Leagues should be vendors and "State" organizations should not be gatekeepers who favor certain clubs over others.  Instead, state organizations should be fundamentally overhauled so that they serve all clubs and programs in the state and so that closed, monopolistic structures like RCL and club gerrymandering are eliminated.
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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2016, 02:21:46 PM »

TF's stated motives toward a flatter youth soccer system makes sense to us, but only if what comes next has none of the intrusive, closed and monopolistic aspects WYS currently has. Leagues should be vendors and "State" organizations should not be gatekeepers who favor certain clubs over others.  Instead, state organizations should be fundamentally overhauled so that they serve all clubs and programs in the state and so that closed, monopolistic structures like RCL and club gerrymandering are eliminated.

My guess is if TF had his way, the landscape would change as follows:

CURRENT:
USSF -> USYSA -> WYS -> State Member Associations -> Clubs

FUTURE UNDER WYS:
USSF -> WYS -> WYS Franchises (formerly clubs)
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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2016, 02:38:32 PM »

Maybe the problem is the messenger and not the message.

History is full of good ideas unfulfilled in the hands of crappy leaders.

Seems to me maybe some folks were working on something positive and a tone deaf leader's ham-fisted tactics done f*d it up. I guess we'll never know for sure now...
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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2016, 09:25:33 AM »

Maybe the problem is the messenger and not the message.

History is full of good ideas unfulfilled in the hands of crappy leaders.

Seems to me maybe some folks were working on something positive and a tone deaf leader's ham-fisted tactics done f*d it up. I guess we'll never know for sure now...
The real question, which no one will ask or answer, is what is the purpose of USYS any more?  Does it offer anything of value? Is it more than just a bunch of very expensive tournaments that are irrelevant given that most top players are in alternate leagues? Does it do anything to entice children to play soccer, or is it just a machine to extract money from those children and distribute it to a few chosen soccer pols?
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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2016, 11:30:17 AM »

Maybe the problem is the messenger and not the message.

History is full of good ideas unfulfilled in the hands of crappy leaders.

Seems to me maybe some folks were working on something positive and a tone deaf leader's ham-fisted tactics done f*d it up. I guess we'll never know for sure now...
The real question, which no one will ask or answer, is what is the purpose of USYS any more?  Does it offer anything of value? Is it more than just a bunch of very expensive tournaments that are irrelevant given that most top players are in alternate leagues? Does it do anything to entice children to play soccer, or is it just a machine to extract money from those children and distribute it to a few chosen soccer pols?

While it may not have been your intent but your position that those tournament are no longer relevant now that the "top" players are in alternate leagues is the antithesis of enticing others to play soccer.  As the parent of a child in the next tier I can tell you that working to play in those irrelevant tournaments is their goal whether it matters to you or not.  They harbor no illusions about being the best. They simply want to be the best that they play against. To tell this tier that they are irrelevant and not deserving of a relevant tournament at the end of the season would impact the numbers in a negative way.   To this group, regionals still matter, presidents cup still matters. They are still goals that these kids work towards and makes them better.  And it's these kids who are going to be the rec coaches of tomorrow. We want them better and they are critical to growing the game. Calling them irrelevant will push them away.
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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2016, 11:57:51 AM »

If PSPL ceases to be a quality vendor, clubs can vote with their feet without penalty or retribution.

And go where? Back to WYS, because that's your only option.

PSPL is not just a league, it's an organization that provides leagues, tournaments, coaching training and accreditations and academy as the sole US Club entity in Washington. If you choose to leave, you choose to leave US Club...because US Club and the PSPL have agreed upon their monopoly here in Washington, just like USYS had WYS as their sole service provider in Washington. When clubs were upset about the PSPL last year and wanted to start their own league, US Club made them suck it up and deal with PSPL. Clubs are left helpless because the national bodies don't support their actual end users.

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Re: WYS Leaving US Youth Soccer?
« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2016, 07:59:13 PM »

If PSPL ceases to be a quality vendor, clubs can vote with their feet without penalty or retribution.

And go where? Back to WYS, because that's your only option.

PSPL is not just a league, it's an organization that provides leagues, tournaments, coaching training and accreditations and academy as the sole US Club entity in Washington. If you choose to leave, you choose to leave US Club...because US Club and the PSPL have agreed upon their monopoly here in Washington, just like USYS had WYS as their sole service provider in Washington. When clubs were upset about the PSPL last year and wanted to start their own league, US Club made them suck it up and deal with PSPL. Clubs are left helpless because the national bodies don't support their actual end users.

That's interesting.  I'm not disagreeing with you because I don't know the current politics.
The NW Champions League is a US Club league that operates in Washington.  Five years ago I started a U6-U8 league through US Club with no problems (from them).
Its sad that US Club would fail to see that competition is what makes leagues strong.
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