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GDA going to split 2003 and 2004 into single age groups?
« on: January 18, 2017, 10:47:36 PM »

From LA Premier FC website

http://lapremierfc.com/football/girlsacademy/-01-14-17-2003-and-2004-single-age-groups

Below is the information we recieved on 1/13/2017 direct from US Soccer.

Academy Directors and Club Leaders:

First off, thank you for your feedback. Since meeting in Chicago last month, your input has been instrumental in determining the next steps and planning future Academy programming. Specifically, your interest in adding additional age groups for the launch of the Girls’ Academy is aligned with the Academy philosophy for creating a clear player pathway.

With an eye towards an improved everyday environment where players can continue to grow, the U.S. Soccer Girls’ Development Academy plans to split the U-14/15 age group into two single-aged teams at U-14 (2004) and U-15 (2003) for its inaugural season in 2017/18. The strategic initiative to increase the player pool at the younger Academy ages, is part of a long-term goal of expanding to single age groups in order to further develop female players.

At the Girls’ Academy launch in Chicago on December 15th, the Academy sought feedback, input and questions in small-group settings from club presidents and Academy Directors. This plan to expand the base of the Academy structure addresses the topic most frequently discussed from the clubs.

The Academy is aware that clubs may have questions surrounding the plan for expansion. Therefore, a webinar is scheduled on Thursday, January 19th at 1:00 pm CT for all Girls’ Academy Clubs. Topics such as Academy structure, travel, events, roster management, and budgets will be discussed.

Please feel free to share this email with your club community as you plan for the year ahead. We look forward to next the webinar and to continue working with each of you and your club.

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Anyone hear anything from our area since there will be 3 GDA?
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Re: GDA going to split 2003 and 2004 into single age groups?
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2017, 10:37:04 AM »

Translation:

"We found that we were leaving money on the table so we doubled the team count."
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Re: GDA going to split 2003 and 2004 into single age groups?
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2017, 11:18:06 AM »

Ever get the feeling that US Soccer is making this up as they go along? No real vision. No real plan.
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Re: GDA going to split 2003 and 2004 into single age groups?
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2017, 11:48:38 AM »

Ever get the feeling that US Soccer is making this up as they go along? No real vision. No real plan.

If you follow the money, most of the time you will end up where they end up. 

I guess that's a vision and plan.  ::)
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Re: GDA going to split 2003 and 2004 into single age groups?
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2017, 11:49:44 AM »

Going to be hilarious when they get to U-16/17 and tell half of their players that they aren't on the team anymore.  Presumably 90% of the players that make it will be in the older age group so wonder where the younger ones go?  This entire process comes off as completely amateurish...
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Re: GDA going to split 2003 and 2004 into single age groups?
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2017, 01:08:29 PM »

Going to be hilarious when they get to U-16/17 and tell half of their players that they aren't on the team anymore.  Presumably 90% of the players that make it will be in the older age group so wonder where the younger ones go?  This entire process comes off as completely amateurish...

They'll never move to a combined age group.  Again,  $$$.
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Re: GDA going to split 2003 and 2004 into single age groups?
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2017, 01:54:13 PM »

Translation:

"We found that we were leaving money on the table so we doubled the team count."

It's sad, but a true statement

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Re: GDA going to split 2003 and 2004 into single age groups?
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2017, 09:42:44 AM »

I think this is mostly about winning the battle against ECNL for hearts and minds...and wallets, too, but more the former.
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Re: GDA going to split 2003 and 2004 into single age groups?
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2017, 02:38:24 PM »

Ahhhh the ECNL is working though...look at the recruits this year and into the women's National League.  Again, do we really have that many elite players?
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Re: GDA going to split 2003 and 2004 into single age groups?
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2017, 02:44:24 PM »

I do not know much about the current boy's DA system, so perhaps, someone can speak to this more clearly. For example in crossfire boy's U12 DA, there are two teams, DA1 and DA2
from the same pool. How is this used for games? Two different games in the same bracket?
Like a A and B team? Reason why I ask is if GDA goes single year U14 and U15, I can see
23 girls in a GDA1 and GDA2 teams of the same birth year. Boys get moved up and down the ladder and teams?  When traveling, only 18 gets to go and the rest stay at home? Or does the
entire team go? How can anyone get playtime unless they are a starter, even though the 25%
start rule? How do boy's parents handle this?

Thanks.
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Re: GDA going to split 2003 and 2004 into single age groups?
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2017, 08:52:36 PM »

Ahhhh the ECNL is working though...look at the recruits this year and into the women's National League.  Again, do we really have that many elite players?

All I can say is I have surveyed a broad number of parents and can confirm we have a huge number of elite players.
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Re: GDA going to split 2003 and 2004 into single age groups?
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2017, 03:37:03 AM »

Ever get the feeling that US Soccer is making this up as they go along? No real vision. No real plan.

If you follow the money, most of the time you will end up where they end up. 

I guess that's a vision and plan.  ::)

I thought the DA was supposed to be free. Unless youth clubs are getting outside money to fund this program, more teams means less money. Please explain.
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Re: GDA going to split 2003 and 2004 into single age groups?
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2017, 08:03:04 AM »

Ever get the feeling that US Soccer is making this up as they go along? No real vision. No real plan.

If you follow the money, most of the time you will end up where they end up. 

I guess that's a vision and plan.  ::)

I thought the DA was supposed to be free. Unless youth clubs are getting outside money to fund this program, more teams means less money. Please explain.

It would be a great differentiator if US Soccer contributed sufficient dollars to the teams to make the GDA free. It is contributing some dollars so there are scholarships available but it is unclear how much more this is beyond what clubs in ECNL already do for players with financial hardship.  As the club count ... and now team count ... grows, there has been no mention of increasing of the scholarship funds that were previously announced.  So for now, no, GDA will not be a free offering.  Some clubs will likely start making it such to attract talent but most will not be free.  One that is, LA Galaxy GDA, offers a fully funded Girls DA team. That is the exception and it was announced before US Soccer decided to double the team count at U14/U15 so who knows if Galaxy will double its investment at that age.  Yes, US Soccer is contributing some financial aid money to member clubs to offer to those in need but in no way is the GDA free. (http://www.ussoccerda.com/girls-academy-faqs  Locally, one suspects that Crossfire may be able to make its program free if it chose to focus on fundraising to do so as it has accomplished similar on the boys side. However, will the other program locally be in a position to do so? It is a fairly hefty proposition.  With four teams to fund, say 21 per team on the low end and 6K/player just as a low estimate, that is a 500K recurring annual contribution.  My recollection is US Soccer will be contributing a few million per year across the 60-80 GDA clubs to help defray costs. But as you can see, when spread out in that way, it does not put a large dent in the overall expense on a per player basis. Perhaps MLS will adopt more GDA programs and help in this area but as NWSL is more in the driver seat on the girls side, perhaps that will not happen as well. It is hard to see NWSL being in a position to contribute any meaningful dollars given the dollars in that league already are stretched.

So, given the limited dollars US Soccer made available to the GDA clubs and the fact their is a large number of clubs and a growing team count, it *may* be somewhat cheaper for some but will still be an expensive venue.






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Re: GDA going to split 2003 and 2004 into single age groups?
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2017, 08:32:56 AM »

That US Soccer scholarship program has provided just over $2M dollars to boys DA players since 2008. That works out to about $3K per club per year. The average scholarship has been just over $1K and is completely needs-based. Basically, it might cover one road trip for one player every blue moon.
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Re: GDA going to split 2003 and 2004 into single age groups?
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2017, 08:45:39 AM »

Ever get the feeling that US Soccer is making this up as they go along? No real vision. No real plan.

If you follow the money, most of the time you will end up where they end up. 

I guess that's a vision and plan.  ::)

I thought the DA was supposed to be free. Unless youth clubs are getting outside money to fund this program, more teams means less money. Please explain.

It would be a great differentiator if US Soccer contributed sufficient dollars to the teams to make the GDA free. It is contributing some dollars so there are scholarships available but it is unclear how much more this is beyond what clubs in ECNL already do for players with financial hardship.  As the club count ... and now team count ... grows, there has been no mention of increasing of the scholarship funds that were previously announced.  So for now, no, GDA will not be a free offering.  Some clubs will likely start making it such to attract talent but most will not be free.  One that is, LA Galaxy GDA, offers a fully funded Girls DA team. That is the exception and it was announced before US Soccer decided to double the team count at U14/U15 so who knows if Galaxy will double its investment at that age.  Yes, US Soccer is contributing some financial aid money to member clubs to offer to those in need but in no way is the GDA free. (http://www.ussoccerda.com/girls-academy-faqs  Locally, one suspects that Crossfire may be able to make its program free if it chose to focus on fundraising to do so as it has accomplished similar on the boys side. However, will the other program locally be in a position to do so? It is a fairly hefty proposition.  With four teams to fund, say 21 per team on the low end and 6K/player just as a low estimate, that is a 500K recurring annual contribution.  My recollection is US Soccer will be contributing a few million per year across the 60-80 GDA clubs to help defray costs. But as you can see, when spread out in that way, it does not put a large dent in the overall expense on a per player basis. Perhaps MLS will adopt more GDA programs and help in this area but as NWSL is more in the driver seat on the girls side, perhaps that will not happen as well. It is hard to see NWSL being in a position to contribute any meaningful dollars given the dollars in that league already are stretched.

So, given the limited dollars US Soccer made available to the GDA clubs and the fact their is a large number of clubs and a growing team count, it *may* be somewhat cheaper for some but will still be an expensive venue.
Thanks for the info. If what you say is true it is unlikely that these programs are moneymakers for the clubs. (ECNL is not a moneymaker either.) So that is not a motivation for the clubs. More likely it is about taking bodies away from ECNL so it won't be viable.

As to PannaBear's question. U12 Academy has little to do with the real Academy, beyond the name. The Boys (U15+) Academy has been in place for awhile. It is characterized by large rosters and few games (=little play time), with mandatory practice minimums (which are no higher than what the good clubs had before the Academy) A large percentage of the participants come to understand that they are really just there to be practice dummies. In return they get some financial subsidy and good preparation for college, which also has huge rosters and few games. The Girls' program seems to be the Boys' formula on steroids - even more, weaker, players and even fewer meaningful games. To me it is crazy but goes back to the myth of the magical soccer bureaucracy saving the day by mandating the magical soccer drills. (Thank you FTK)

It's been a clear failure on the Boys' side (naturally as it comes along as the development window is slamming closed) Has anyone honestly seen anything come from the U12 Academy? If you think so, do you have any objective evidence to back it up?
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Re: GDA going to split 2003 and 2004 into single age groups?
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2017, 08:50:04 AM »

That US Soccer scholarship program has provided just over $2M dollars to boys DA players since 2008. That works out to about $3K per club per year. The average scholarship has been just over $1K and is completely needs-based. Basically, it might cover one road trip for one player every blue moon.
The Boys are subsidized, just that the bulk of the subsidy isn't from US Soccer. It's mostly from the clubs (aka parents) themselves, and a little corporate.
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Re: GDA going to split 2003 and 2004 into single age groups?
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2017, 09:57:15 AM »

Ahhhh the ECNL is working though...look at the recruits this year and into the women's National League.  Again, do we really have that many elite players?

All I can say is I have surveyed a broad number of parents and can confirm we have a huge number of elite players.
 :-*

 :( Hahaha, of course...we should all be in the DA then.
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Re: GDA going to split 2003 and 2004 into single age groups?
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2017, 05:53:34 PM »

In the Fall 2016, US Soccer Federation was holding monthly camps for 2005/2004 girls.  They were held at UW.  Are these camps still happening?
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Re: GDA going to split 2003 and 2004 into single age groups?
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2017, 11:14:34 AM »

I do not know much about the current boy's DA system, so perhaps, someone can speak to this more clearly. For example in crossfire boy's U12 DA, there are two teams, DA1 and DA2
from the same pool. How is this used for games? Two different games in the same bracket?
Like a A and B team? Reason why I ask is if GDA goes single year U14 and U15, I can see
23 girls in a GDA1 and GDA2 teams of the same birth year. Boys get moved up and down the ladder and teams?  When traveling, only 18 gets to go and the rest stay at home? Or does the
entire team go? How can anyone get playtime unless they are a starter, even though the 25%
start rule? How do boy's parents handle this?

Thanks.

From Beach FC about DA1 and DA2. Mostly likely, our WA clubs will follow a similar plan.
So, A team and B team at GDA. How is this elite? DA2 will be allowed to play hs and outside
tourneys. I bet they have to pay full price for this. How come do I feel that they are
making this up as they go? Where are the plans from our 3 GDA clubs? ECNL? Hello?
Tryouts are like in 4 months.

http://myemail.constantcontact.com/BEACH-FUTBOL-CLUB---DEVELOPMENT-ACADEMY-ANNOUNCEMENT.html?soid=1104906689478&aid=QpfcIg5BZzE

Dear Beach Families,

blah blah blah

Now we embark with the same fundamental ideals and more drive than ever, as we enter into the United States Girls Developmental Academy, as one of the original 25 clubs chosen from across the country....It's just amazing! 

The Development Academy has now grown to 74 teams and we will be one of the 14 teams competing in the Southwest Division, alongside 12 other California clubs and one club from Arizona.  This is the best available DA geography to be in, as it will require minimal travel when compared with the rest of the DA divisions across the country. 

US Soccer has now finalized its decision to host four Development Academy age groups 1999-00, 2001 - 02, 2003 and 2004's and we have carefully selected the following staff to work with each of the age groups, as we initially launch our Development Academy program. There will undoubtedly be more exciting announcements and details to follow. 

blah blah blah

Since the initial announcement of Beach FC's acceptance into the DA, the club has been working towards building the most competitive teams possible.

The next step in forming our DA and DA2 teams will be two age-group trainings hosted in February.

blah snip

What is the Development Academy 2 LEAGUE? (DA2)

US Soccer is supporting the creation of the DA2 league, and while we expect the competition for the DA spots to be fierce with many qualified candidates and therefore our club will also participate in the DA2 league as a founding member club.

The league will consist of up to "Nine" other "Developmental Academy Teams 2" from the Southwest Region.

The DA 2 teams will follow a similar schedule to that of the DA teams, often-times playing at the same venues, on the same days. 

In order to maximize exposure for our DA 2 players, all announced DA2 coaches will be working hand-in-hand with the corresponding aged DA teams.

We believe the DA2 will help provide a direct link and pathway to the DA for our DA 2 players.

The DA2 players will also be able to continue to participate in high school soccer and will have Silverlakes and the Las Vegas Showcase built in to their annual schedule.

DA2 players also have the potential to be reassigned to the DA team on a part-time and full-time basis based upon performance and circumstance.

The DA2 platform will give Beach Futbol Club players every opportunity to continue to develop as high level performers on and off the field and the continued exposure that players of this level are typically looking for .

Formation of the 99/00 and 01/02 Development Academy Teams

The 99/00 and 01/02 teams will be created using the same model as the 2003/04 teams at a later date. Once the high school season has ended, a schedule of events for these age groups will be sent out to all members and hosted on our website www.beachfutbolclub.com

It is our mission that Beach FC is at the forefront of all player and team development platforms. Our goal is to provide our members with ongoing support and opportunity both on and off the field in pursuit of a World Class Youth Soccer Experience. 



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Re: GDA going to split 2003 and 2004 into single age groups?
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2017, 11:41:47 AM »

So, being the cynic.

A top player on the GDA1 team in club X will simply tell her coach she wants to play HS ball and the coach rosters her temporarily to GDA2, thereby remaining in compliance with the 'GDA' directive but also finding a way around the competitive differentiator between GDA (no HS ball) and ECNL (HS ball ok).  Wow, US Soccer is creating a full out scorched earth approach to put ECNL out of business. 

If in fact the 2 tier GDA is adopted as the standard (it will be since there's money on the table), that means a club with GDA and ECNL could potentially have 3 teams playing out of state in 'elite' leagues.  In this locale that would mean XF (3 => GDA+ECNL) + SU (3 => GDA+ECNL) + EFC (2=>GDA) + WPFC (1=>ECNL) = 9 teams per age playing in national leagues (with 23 per team that is 207 players per age). 

Doesn't sound elite to me. Just sounds like a very expensive premier league.

ECNL was pretty good all in all in terms of level of play, competitive, exposure, etc. Both programs/leagues are going to suffer as a result of this and cost to play like vs like is going up a few thousand per player per year.
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Re: GDA going to split 2003 and 2004 into single age groups?
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2017, 03:22:32 PM »



If in fact the 2 tier GDA is adopted as the standard (it will be since there's money on the table), that means a club with GDA and ECNL could potentially have 3 teams playing out of state in 'elite' leagues.  In this locale that would mean XF (3 => GDA+ECNL) + SU (3 => GDA+ECNL)
SU will not be allowed to field ECNL teams. That option is only open to the original ECNL clubs.
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Re: GDA going to split 2003 and 2004 into single age groups?
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2017, 05:53:24 PM »

So, being the cynic.

A top player on the GDA1 team in club X will simply tell her coach she wants to play HS ball and the coach rosters her temporarily to GDA2, thereby remaining in compliance with the 'GDA' directive but also finding a way around the competitive differentiator between GDA (no HS ball) and ECNL (HS ball ok).  Wow, US Soccer is creating a full out scorched earth approach to put ECNL out of business. 

If in fact the 2 tier GDA is adopted as the standard (it will be since there's money on the table), that means a club with GDA and ECNL could potentially have 3 teams playing out of state in 'elite' leagues.  In this locale that would mean XF (3 => GDA+ECNL) + SU (3 => GDA+ECNL) + EFC (2=>GDA) + WPFC (1=>ECNL) = 9 teams per age playing in national leagues (with 23 per team that is 207 players per age). 
If the boys' DA is any guide, US Soccer has no problem running leagues that would be considered failures by any objective onlooker. There are "elite" DA teams with goal differentials of -3 per game.

I suspect the 207 # is an exaggeration, but the real issue is what the opt out rate will be. The geographic concentration is extreme and I think there will be a lot of resistance to trekking long distances without the big subsidy that you find in the Boys DA.
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Re: GDA going to split 2003 and 2004 into single age groups?
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2017, 04:22:28 AM »

I don't think you're being cynical at all. That was my first thought too. This is precisely what they are doing.

So, being the cynic.
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Wow, US Soccer is creating a full out scorched earth approach to put ECNL out of business. 
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Re: GDA going to split 2003 and 2004 into single age groups?
« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2017, 09:07:09 AM »

Does anyone have any info for leagues next year? If 03 and 04 have their own teams, does that mean that 01/02 and 99/00 will still be merged? If SU is losing ECNL, doesn't that mean half of the current 01/02 players will be teamless in a few months?

Interesting is that most of the 99s will be in college and any top player born those years will have long since committed to college. What would be the purpose of playing in such a league?
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